Clearing up creation confusion
7 January 2005
Please stop this incredible foolishness and understand that the Lord created life to flourish, to evolve.
Where did the Lord reveal such a thing? But which “Lord” are we talking about? I prefer to rely on what the true Lord, Jesus said, that God made Adam and Eve “from the beginning of creation” (Mark 10:6) not billions of years later—see Jesus and the age of the world.
The Universe began about 14 thousand million years ago, and has been rolling along ever since.
Rather, it began 6 thousand years ago and has been rolling downhill ever since the Fall (Romans 8:20–22).
Don’t live in the Word, live in the Deed.
How can we separate the word from the deed? The Creator Jesus is the Word (John 1:1-3), and He said, “the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life” (John 6:63). And He said,
“If anyone is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels” (Luke 9:23).
I suggest that you reconsider your shame of His words in Mark 10:6.
Creation is real, and its name is Evolution.
Sounds like a religion to me, just as anti-Christian evolutionary philosopher Michael Ruse admitted.
Stop lying to people.
Stop making unsupported accusations against people. Please document a single lie.
Everything good scientists discover about our world strengthens our faith.
And that is why we support good science, which was founded by creationists—see our biography page. Conversely, evolution is not real science; it is a belief system about the past to explain life without God. It might help if you understood the difference between operational and origins science.
I don’t. Rather, I suppose that “He spoke, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast” (Psalm 33:9), because I suppose that God Himself would be the best One to tell us what He did. And this points to rapid creation. Think of the Lord Jesus Christ’s dialogue with a faithful centurion in Matthew 8:5–13 as a comparison:
When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help.
“Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed and in terrible suffering.”
Jesus said to him, “I will go and heal him.”
The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed.
“For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”
When Jesus heard this, he was astonished and said to those following him, “I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith.” …
Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! It will be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that very hour.
As the centurion realized, even his own orders were obeyed immediately and without question. Therefore, he realized, how much more would the commands of the Lord of Creation be obeyed. So in Genesis, we likewise have on the days of creation:
- Command: “And God said, let there be …”
- Fulfillment: “And it was so.”
- Assessment: “God said it was good.”
- Closure of the day: “There was evening, there was morning, Day X.”
I.e., God’s commands were fulfilled and even assessed within that 24-hour day.
It took the insight of the Creator to fashion a world that can (for the most part) take care of itself.
And where do you get this supposed insight about the Creator? Evidently you think you know better than the Creator Himself, since you deny His Word.
When you lie to children or your congregation about science, you lie about the Lord.
When you contradict what the Lord said, you are in effect accusing Him of lying.
Don’t deny the Truth.
You mean, like the way you disagree with the One who said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (Jesus in John 14:6).
The Lord’s handiwork is all about us,
… and it took a long time to get to where it is,
How would you know? Did you time it? Who observed this supposedly long process? I would rather believe the One who was there than someone who wasn’t.
… and will continue to evolve.
Are you also a prophet, claiming to know the future infallibly (even though you have the past wrong)?
Every single claim that life and matter does not evolve is wrong.
Well, you should provide a single example of life or matter evolving in the direction of goo to you, not just changing in the opposite direction as we observe (see The evolution train’s a-comin’ (Sorry, a-goin’—in the wrong direction)). Maybe tell us all how life evolved from nonliving chemicals by chemical evolution—you would probably win a Nobel Prize.
Knowing that it is wrong and still espousing it make liars out of you. Know the Truth. God works in mysterious ways. We can call it evolution. Remember, when you try to prove faith with “science,”
And when you find any case of us trying to do this, please let us know. Rather, instead of a straw man of your own making, you might like to find out what we really teach (as per our feedback rules), e.g., Creation: “where’s the proof?”
… it stops being faith.
And it looks like you hold to a misconception of faith as completely disconnected from the real world. However, for a correct understanding of what real Christian faith is, you would benefit from articles such as Loving God with all your mind: logic and creation and Fallacious Faith: Correcting an All-too-Common Misconception.
Our faith is not challenged by good science, it is made stronger.
That’s what we say too—perhaps you’ve been reading our material after all. Not sure what you think evolution has to do with good science though.
Come over to the light, the light of reason that the Lord wishes to shine upon you.
But evidently you’re in the shadow, since you do not believe what Jesus said. He said, “I have come as Light into the world, so that everyone who believes in Me will not remain in darkness” (John 12:46).
Use the scientific method to explore the universe.
As we do, within the framework God revealed in Scripture, just as the creationist founders of modern science did also.
Use the Bible to study man’s heart.
As we do—and to study the world God created. But if the Bible can’t be trusted on earthly things (such as the events, timescale and order of creation), why trust it on heavenly things (such as man’s relationship to God)—compare Jesus’ question to Nicodemus in John 3:12.
After all, you don’t argue with penicillin, do you?
Why would we? It is a matter of observation, so it part of operational science, unlike evolution from goo-to-you via the zoo. And note that one of those who won the Nobel Prize for its discovery, Ernst Chain, was a staunch anti-Darwinist.
Or with the fact that certain germs grow immune to it?
Of course not—again, this is operational science, and the changes have nothing to do with goo-to-you evolution—please study carefully my article Anthrax and antibiotics: Is evolution relevant? where I explain why, including examples of penicillin resistance.
Do you argue that female lions prefer a big dark mane on their males?
I haven’t asked a lioness lately. What of it? If lions had small, light manes, evolutionists would “explain” this by saying that lionesses preferred small, light manes; it’s a just-so story. It would be similar to the way they “explain” why males are bigger in some species, and females in another. This means that evolution is so plastic that its proponents can explain mutually contradictory states of affairs, which really means that it explains nothing! See also Evolution of sex from Refuting Evolution 2, ch. 11.
Do you deny the fossil record?
I can’t think of anyone in our ministry who does.
If you do, you deny Creation, and you should stop it!
Those who deny creation are those who refuse to believe the clear testimony of the Creator in the Bible about the matter (see, for example, Romans 1:18–32, 2 Peter 3:3–10), which also makes sense of what we study in God’s creation.
Jonathan Sarfati, Ph.D.