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Creationists should be denied the vote?
Published: 8 January 2011(GMT+10)
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Mr. Jody Jay Nagel, D.M.A., an associate professor of Music and Composition at Ball
State University, wrote to us with a fact-free rant which included wanting to deny
Christians the vote. A team from CMI-US answered the fallacies.
Creationism is just plain wrong. Your “evidence” is not evidence. Your
attacks on the theory of evolution lack rationality. My children should not be required
to live in a country where faith-based thoughtlessness is rampant and its practitioners
are allowed to vote. In spite of all your whining, look around, and you’ll
see there is no god. There will never be “heaven” on Earth, while you
people believe Earth is nothing but evil. There will never be peace on Earth as
long as there are theists inventing beliefs.
-Mr. Jody Jay Nagel, D.M.A.
Dear Mr. Nagel,
Creationism is just plain wrong. Your “evidence” is not evidence. Your
attacks on the theory of evolution lack rationality.
Yet no rational evidence was provided for this claim.
My children should not be required to live in a country where faith-based thoughtlessness
is rampant and its practitioners are allowed to vote.
Good news! Your children do not have to live in such a country. If you believe that
the United States is too Christianized for your children, you are free to emigrate
to any other country. Perhaps one of the EU countries will be godless enough for
you (unless of course you object to the large Muslim populations in many of them).
Or even better, one of the atheistic paradises you seem to love, like North Korea,
Communist China or Cuba; shame that atheistic communism collapsed in the Soviet
Union and its satellites otherwise you would have had many more atheistic paradises
to choose from. It’s notable that these paradises refused their people the
same right to emigrate.
I suspect though, if you were to compile a list of other countries aside from the
US, you would probably find that you would keep adding countries like England, Australia,
Canada, South Africa and so on—Western countries whose principles of foundation
were based upon Christianity and the Bible. These countries allow voting by the
people because of their core foundational principles, so your view that we should
not be allowed to vote would be in violation of the very freedoms you espouse. The
anti-voting idea you espouse is reminiscent of the totalitarian regimes mentioned
above that are responsible for more deaths than all ‘religious’ wars
put together:
77 million in Communist China,
62 million in the Soviet Gulag State,
21 million non-battle killings by the Nazis,
2 million murdered in the Khmer Rouge killing fields.1 See also:
In spite of all your whining, look around, and you’ll see there is no god.
There will never be “heaven” on Earth, while you people believe Earth
is nothing but evil. There will never be peace on Earth as long as there are theists
inventing beliefs.
We don’t believe that the earth is nothing but evil—we leave that to
the Gnostic heretics, so beloved of some liberal theologians. We follow the Bible
in teaching that the earth was originally “very good” but was
tainted by man’s sin. While there are a lot of bad things in the world,
we can still see the goodness of God’s creation in some of the
wonderful design features and the beauty that God built into His creation.
But we believe that sin prevents heaven being established on earth, until Jesus’
Second Coming.
I’m confused about your statement about theists “inventing beliefs.”
Indeed, people who practice an established religion don’t invent our own beliefs;
we accept the beliefs handed down to us. Christians accept biblical teaching, which
came from Christ, for example, but the principle is equally true for other religions
such as Islam and Judaism, even if we believe they are wrong. It is the people who
are determined to believe nothing that must make it all up as they go, and follow
Saint Darwin and Pope Dawkins.
Half a century ago, zoologist and physiologist Prof. G.A. Kerkut (1927–2004), an evolutionist himself, encouraged students
to try to come up with scientific arguments against evolution. He was disappointed
when they couldn’t, because he said that to “really understand an argument
you will be able to indicate to me not only the points in favour of the argument
but also the most telling points against it.” He even compared
a student who “repeats parrot fashion the views of the current Archbishop
of Evolution” with “behaving like certain of those religious students
he affects to despise.” He explicitly encouraged the study of ‘scientific
heresies’, and that the danger of a student’s being
seduced by one was outweighed by the danger of being “brought up in a type
of mental straitjacket.” (Implications of Evolution, Pergamon, Oxford,
UK, 1960.)
And lastly, your view that somehow creation is antiscience really displays great
ignorance about the limitations of science in its ability to test things that allegedly
occurred in the past. For example, read ‘It’s not
science’, by an actual Ph.D. scientist. Respectfully, you would do well to research
the subject more thoroughly before making such ill-informed comments about what
biblical creationists believe. You can also read the world’s most popular
book on the subject free on our website,
Refuting Evolution, also
by an actual Ph.D. scientist. Your opinion also ignores the fact that the
biblical worldview was foundational for the birth of modern science in the
West, while it had been stillborn in other cultures like ancient Greece and China.
The reality is, if you don’t take the time to be fully informed then you risk
the same type of one-track, self-deluded thinking that led to the deaths of millions
at the hands of Nazi and Stalinist type regimes—their beliefs that some
people were better (more evolved) than others, and that people who did not espouse
their own views should be exterminated. See The
Holocaust and evolution. So much for the peace you seemingly desire based
on the alleged ‘science’ of evolution. History unequivocally shows that
atheistic regimes were the most violent and effective killing machines ever. Compare
that with the words of the founder of the Christian faith who said:
“Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are those
who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. Blessed are
the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they
shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.”
(Matthew 5;5–9).
In fact, if you are an atheist, then you have
no logical foundation for your desire for a peaceful world. At least Christians
do. We suggest that your view is based on emotional appeal rather than the seeming
logic/science you profess. This is because evolution (that apparently you see all
around us) entails dog-eat-dog, survival of the fittest and the weak to be culled—exactly
what Hitler tried to enforce due to his evolutionary Darwinian beliefs (see
documentation). Also, a new book The Political Gene: How Darwin’s Ideas
Changed Politics by Denis Sewell (2009) notes that in the “years
leading up to the First World War, the eugenics
movement looked like a Darwin family business.” Specifically
“Darwin’s son Leonard replaced
his cousin Galton as chairman of the national Eugenics Society in 1911. In
the same year an offshoot of the society was formed in Cambridge. Among its leading
members were three more of Charles Darwin’s sons, Horace, Francis and George.
The group’s treasurer was a young economics lecturer at the university, John
Maynard Keynes, whose younger brother Geoffrey would later marry Darwin’s
granddaughter Margaret. Meanwhile, Keynes’s mother, Florence, and Horace Darwin’s
daughter Ruth, sat together on the committee of the Cambridge Association for the
Care of the Feeble-Minded … a front organization for eugenics” (p.
54).
Sincerely,
Lita Cosner, Jonathan Sarfati
and Gary Bates
CMI–US
A reader’s commentRaymond W., Australia, 8 January 2011
Thank you for the feedback articles, this one I really enjoyed, it was succinct, cutting and informative and what’s more a good read. Mr. J.J. Nagel D.M.A. obviously did not read the feedback rules before letting fly, it is a shame that some intelligent people don’t and I guess Mr. Nagel is one after all he does have letters after his name. (I don’t know what the letters stand for but I think they must mean don’t read and think before you write). Keep up the good work and may the Lord bless you for and in everything that you do in His name. |
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