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Creationists should be denied the vote?

Published: 8 January 2011(GMT+10)

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Mr. Jody Jay Nagel, D.M.A., an associate professor of Music and Composition at Ball State University, wrote to us with a fact-free rant which included wanting to deny Christians the vote. A team from CMI-US answered the fallacies.

Creationism is just plain wrong. Your “evidence” is not evidence. Your attacks on the theory of evolution lack rationality. My children should not be required to live in a country where faith-based thoughtlessness is rampant and its practitioners are allowed to vote. In spite of all your whining, look around, and you’ll see there is no god. There will never be “heaven” on Earth, while you people believe Earth is nothing but evil. There will never be peace on Earth as long as there are theists inventing beliefs.
-Mr. Jody Jay Nagel, D.M.A.

Dear Mr. Nagel,

Creationism is just plain wrong. Your “evidence” is not evidence. Your attacks on the theory of evolution lack rationality.

Yet no rational evidence was provided for this claim.

My children should not be required to live in a country where faith-based thoughtlessness is rampant and its practitioners are allowed to vote.

Good news! Your children do not have to live in such a country. If you believe that the United States is too Christianized for your children, you are free to emigrate to any other country. Perhaps one of the EU countries will be godless enough for you (unless of course you object to the large Muslim populations in many of them). Or even better, one of the atheistic paradises you seem to love, like North Korea, Communist China or Cuba; shame that atheistic communism collapsed in the Soviet Union and its satellites otherwise you would have had many more atheistic paradises to choose from. It’s notable that these paradises refused their people the same right to emigrate.

I suspect though, if you were to compile a list of other countries aside from the US, you would probably find that you would keep adding countries like England, Australia, Canada, South Africa and so on—Western countries whose principles of foundation were based upon Christianity and the Bible. These countries allow voting by the people because of their core foundational principles, so your view that we should not be allowed to vote would be in violation of the very freedoms you espouse. The anti-voting idea you espouse is reminiscent of the totalitarian regimes mentioned above that are responsible for more deaths than all ‘religious’ wars put together: 77 million in Communist China, 62 million in the Soviet Gulag State, 21 million non-battle killings by the Nazis, 2 million murdered in the Khmer Rouge killing fields.1 See also:

In spite of all your whining, look around, and you’ll see there is no god. There will never be “heaven” on Earth, while you people believe Earth is nothing but evil. There will never be peace on Earth as long as there are theists inventing beliefs.

We don’t believe that the earth is nothing but evil—we leave that to the Gnostic heretics, so beloved of some liberal theologians. We follow the Bible in teaching that the earth was originally “very good” but was tainted by man’s sin. While there are a lot of bad things in the world, we can still see the goodness of God’s creation in some of the wonderful design features and the beauty that God built into His creation. But we believe that sin prevents heaven being established on earth, until Jesus’ Second Coming.

I’m confused about your statement about theists “inventing beliefs.” Indeed, people who practice an established religion don’t invent our own beliefs; we accept the beliefs handed down to us. Christians accept biblical teaching, which came from Christ, for example, but the principle is equally true for other religions such as Islam and Judaism, even if we believe they are wrong. It is the people who are determined to believe nothing that must make it all up as they go, and follow Saint Darwin and Pope Dawkins.

Half a century ago, zoologist and physiologist Prof. G.A. Kerkut (1927–2004), an evolutionist himself, encouraged students to try to come up with scientific arguments against evolution. He was disappointed when they couldn’t, because he said that to “really understand an argument you will be able to indicate to me not only the points in favour of the argument but also the most telling points against it.” He even compared a student who “repeats parrot fashion the views of the current Archbishop of Evolution” with “behaving like certain of those religious students he affects to despise.” He explicitly encouraged the study of ‘scientific heresies’, and that the danger of a student’s being seduced by one was outweighed by the danger of being “brought up in a type of mental straitjacket.” (Implications of Evolution, Pergamon, Oxford, UK, 1960.)

And lastly, your view that somehow creation is antiscience really displays great ignorance about the limitations of science in its ability to test things that allegedly occurred in the past. For example, read ‘It’s not science, by an actual Ph.D. scientist. Respectfully, you would do well to research the subject more thoroughly before making such ill-informed comments about what biblical creationists believe. You can also read the world’s most popular book on the subject free on our website, Refuting Evolution, also by an actual Ph.D. scientist. Your opinion also ignores the fact that the biblical worldview was foundational for the birth of modern science in the West, while it had been stillborn in other cultures like ancient Greece and China.

The reality is, if you don’t take the time to be fully informed then you risk the same type of one-track, self-deluded thinking that led to the deaths of millions at the hands of Nazi and Stalinist type regimes—their beliefs that some people were better (more evolved) than others, and that people who did not espouse their own views should be exterminated. See The Holocaust and evolution. So much for the peace you seemingly desire based on the alleged ‘science’ of evolution. History unequivocally shows that atheistic regimes were the most violent and effective killing machines ever. Compare that with the words of the founder of the Christian faith who said:

“Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.” (Matthew 5;5–9).

In fact, if you are an atheist, then you have no logical foundation for your desire for a peaceful world. At least Christians do. We suggest that your view is based on emotional appeal rather than the seeming logic/science you profess. This is because evolution (that apparently you see all around us) entails dog-eat-dog, survival of the fittest and the weak to be culled—exactly what Hitler tried to enforce due to his evolutionary Darwinian beliefs (see documentation). Also, a new book The Political Gene: How Darwin’s Ideas Changed Politics by Denis Sewell (2009) notes that in the “years leading up to the First World War, the eugenics movement looked like a Darwin family business.” Specifically

“Darwin’s son Leonard replaced his cousin Galton as chairman of the national Eugenics Society in 1911. In the same year an offshoot of the society was formed in Cambridge. Among its leading members were three more of Charles Darwin’s sons, Horace, Francis and George. The group’s treasurer was a young economics lecturer at the university, John Maynard Keynes, whose younger brother Geoffrey would later marry Darwin’s granddaughter Margaret. Meanwhile, Keynes’s mother, Florence, and Horace Darwin’s daughter Ruth, sat together on the committee of the Cambridge Association for the Care of the Feeble-Minded … a front organization for eugenics” (p. 54).

Sincerely,

Lita Cosner, Jonathan Sarfati and Gary Bates
CMI–US

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  1. Rummel, R.J., Death by Government, New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction Publishers, 1994. Return to text.

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A reader’s comment
Raymond W., Australia, 8 January 2011
Thank you for the feedback articles, this one I really enjoyed, it was succinct, cutting and informative and what’s more a good read. Mr. J.J. Nagel D.M.A. obviously did not read the feedback rules before letting fly, it is a shame that some intelligent people don’t and I guess Mr. Nagel is one after all he does have letters after his name. (I don’t know what the letters stand for but I think they must mean don’t read and think before you write).
Keep up the good work and may the Lord bless you for and in everything that you do in His name.
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