Evolutionary racism
Readers’ comments
Hi, Bob. You may need to do a bit more homework in this area. For example, re slavery, notice that it was the Skeptic heroes of the Enlightenment, Voltaire, Hume, etc. who used racist arguments to justify slavery, and it was Evangelicals following biblical principles that abolished this evil trade. See this article re William Wilberforce, which includes detailed commentary on the Bible and slavery.
Also, you uncritically accept anticreationist websites; the link you sent (not published due to feedback policies) is simply wrong about Darwin rejecting Social Darwinism/eugenics. Read the entire quote from his Descent of Man (freely available on the web) if in doubt. Darwin may have been a squeamish, even gentle soul, but he understood the racial and eugenicist implications of his theory. Eugenics was founded by his cousin, a secular writer observed (referenced on our site):
“[In the] years leading up to the First World War, the eugenics movement looked like a Darwin family business. … Darwin’s son Leonard replaced his cousin Galton as chairman of the national Eugenics Society in 1911. In the same year an offshoot of the society was formed in Cambridge. Among its leading members were three more of Charles Darwin’s sons, Horace, Francis and George.”
Further, as my book One Human Family: The Bible, science, race and culture documents, my mother grew up in Nazi Germany and the Darwinian ideology was front and centre in the thinking of Nazi ideology, and it influenced many otherwise caring, normal people like her into accepting as ‘normal’ ideas and practice that formerly horrified them.
Finally, to suggest that ‘evolution is science’ and science is not policy, ideology or similar, thus scientific thinking about evolution is neither influenced by or influences ideology, etc. is extremely naïve, respectfully – and would be so even if the evolutionary story were true. Informed evolutionists themselves have on occasion identified the strong ideological component. The religious aspects of evolution were conceded by even Canadian philosopher Michael Ruse, so strong an anticreationist that he testified against creationists in one of the well-publicized trials of recent years; see his quote here stating that evolution is religion.
By way of aside, the real world is not as neatly ordered into ‘science’ and ‘non-science’ as some might wish to think. As prominent an evolutionist as the late Stephen Jay Gould of the Harvard Museum said that”“Facts do not ‘speak for themselves’; they are read in the light of theory. Creative thought, in science as much as in the arts, is the motor of changing opinion. Science is a quintessentially human activity, not a mechanized, robotlike accumulation of objective information, leading by laws of logic to inescapable interpretation.”
Hans G., Australia, 24 September 2012
In my opinion it has only on the outside to do with 'racism'. They look and live different, that is the base of the victims. In the ears of the 'superiors' still rings what Satan promised a human:"You will be like God, knowing good and evil". That means POWER over others and we can see it by every dispute up to wars. There is no real engender of race, it is about I am stronger and you are weaker.
When from a work team one is promoted it doesn't take long then he doesn't know his colleges anymore....he is now 'god' and it has nothing to do with racism.
And by the way, God's creation is full of variations, color and diversities. He used this trend to disperse the people of Babel. Today the humans are bunching everything together again, politics, religion, economy, money, way of living, education, thinking, countries (EU) and there is no difference between the genders. A second Babel?
Humans got different colored skin, so do animals of one kind and plants come in all kinds of green. God created a colorful world to admire. Now we reject this out of political correctness? When I hear the finding:" Our skin has one color only the melanin makes it different ???, that IS the difference. Chlorophyll gives different greens too.
So to recognize different skin colors has nothing to do with racism it is more to reject God's colorful world.
Power is indeed involved. You would I think be interested in reading One Human Family: The Bible, science, race and culture. Check out this website to see a preview of some sections and particularly the table of contents: www.onehumanfamily.us.
Kobus V., South Africa, 27 September 2012
The creation vs evolution debate has proven to be the real "deal clincher". Only once the evolution myth has been expelled could I find a sense of firm belief.
Your work amongst others guided me towards the fallacies of the evolution myth, for which I am enternally greatfull.
Even the debate around evolution co-existing with creation has proven to be highly argumentative and not based on the true principles contained in God's Word, or as spoken by God's Word, Christ Jesus our Saviour.
Bless you and all that are firm on this issue, the foundation of THE Faith.
Bob S., United States, 28 September 2012
What section from Descent of Man were you thinking of? Was it this one?
"Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed."
Ah, so Darwin was rabidly in support of eugenics, right? Nope. The very next paragraph clarifies. He talks about our instincts for compassion and says,
"Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature."
Have you read the whole book, Bob? (note by the way that the word 'rabidly' was not in my comment nor my thinking). As indicated, D. was gentle, squeamish, but understood the implications. All of it is utterly consistent with his understanding and belief that not only do our 'nobler' instincts for compassion, cause things like keeping the sick alive, etc. but that this is ultimately injurious to the 'race of man'. He praised his cousin Francis's work on eugenics. For more, based on a secular appraisal, check out Darwin and Eugenics: Darwin was a "social Darwinist". But may I gently repeat my admonition to you in previous correspondence on other subjects, Bob--before leaping in with a comment admonishing or chastising creationists, please check out what has already been written and documented on the subject before, it seems I keep having to send you to various areas of creation.com which were actually quite accessible to you all along via a simple search.
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Bob S., United States, 22 September 2012
“The sinful desire to dominate, reject, ignore or mistreat others for one’s own particular motives”
The Bible had no problem with slavery for life (see Lev. 25:44–46, for example). Was that sinful?
But to your point, evolution is science. Eugenics and racism are policy. If you don’t like them, that’s fine, but don’t lay that at the feet of science. Let’s get the blame correct.
I elaborate here [link deleted as per our normal feedback policies]: