Stalin (R)
Readers’ comments
Jeff M., United Kingdom, 13 June 2012
Dear Russell
I hope you don't mind me challenging you a little bit, but your logic seems a bit flawed here. Stalin caused the deaths of millions because he had read Origin of Species? Well I've read it too and I've not murdered millions of people. Moreover millions have read Origin and they haven't murdered millions either. In fact if reading Darwin leads to mass murder there would not be many of us left today to discuss it!
The Holy Roman Emperors who waged the 30 years war had not, I suspect, read Darwin, nor had the Popes who led the Crusades yet they managed to cause the deaths of millions as well.
Maybe the real cause of these deaths is the inability of some leaders to see anything in perspective and just act on their own narrow viewpoints - if they can get away with it?
Yours sincerely
Jeff
Jeff, I’m not sure how one can glean from Russell’s article that Stalin read the Origin and presto, became a murderer, and furthermore, that everyone else who does the same will. However, it is a recorded historical fact that upon reading the Origin, he felt justified in rejecting the notion that the God of the Bible existed. (A fairly rational conclusion, I might add.) Now the following should be obvious, but let’s walk through it anyway.
Imagine if we were comparing two very large groups of people, who were in all other respects comparable (in terms of the distribution of gender, age, occupation etc. etc.) except that one group believed that they were accountable to a holy and just God after death, i.e. actions have eternal consequences, and the other which didn’t. Now, while no one is claiming that such a restraining belief will operate perfectly, least of all the Christian who believes in a fallen and sinstained world, it seems a ‘no-brainer’ that the group with no such restraining belief will produce more of those who commit actual acts of murder, for example. I.e. this is an ‘on average’ argument. It does not ignore other factors like psychopathy, upbringing, aggravation, opportunity, you name it. It merely makes the relatively trivial and self-evident claim that a person with a murderous thought or predilection will be on average less likely to restrain themselves from the impulse to carry it out (if they believe they are likely to get away with it on Earth, as a despot in power would be able to, e.g.). Note that your last line actually reinforces this point about retribution, to an extent.
Then there is the additional point that when professing Christians do such things, they are being inconsistent with the teachings of their faith’s founder. But when a materialist does them, he/she is not being inconsistent with anything of the sort, in fact is being quite consistent with the notion that there is no ultimate reason for one collection of randomly evolved atoms that once were pond scum now rearranged not to do what it wants with another such collection. Note that this does not say that an atheist cannot be a moral person, just that there is no objective basis for such morality.
Note, too, the historical evidence supporting this self-evident chain of reasoning (as if it were necessary, in a sense). Despite the horrors of the 30 years war, the number of people who have been killed in Christian atrocities, and all religious wars pales into insignificance next to the number of people killed in the 20th Century alone by those who had an evolution-based view of the world, were fiercely anti-Christian, and feared no judgment after death. For example, during the Inquisition, loathsome as it was, some “3,230 people were sentenced to death, hardly the bloodbath of millions that it is sometimes made out to be.” See A review of The Irrational Atheist.
See for more documentation and discussion ‘Christian’ vs evolutionary atrocities, and note too that the nearly 100m killed in the murderous rampages of the ideologically driven dictators of last century mostly killed, often systematically, their own people.
james p H., Australia, 13 June 2012
re: "CS".......AMEN!
lots of people in the late nineteenth/early twentieth century read Darwin's "Origin" but did not becom mass murderers....about all we can say is that Darwin provided an intellectual justification for what Stalin did but not necessarily a moral justification...
in earlier centuries, "the fear of the Lord" stopped men from committing "sins of presumption" such as mass murder(s) even though they may well have been brutalised and abused as badly as if not worse than Stalin was.....Darwin "cancelled out" that fear!
but....again....as "CS" notes.....who are the REAL CULPRITs here?....those who provide the intellectual justification for such atrocities or the actual perpertrators them-selves?
who is REALLY guilty here?.....the man who actually fires the gun or the man who supplies the gun, the ammunition and the justification for using it?
only Almighty God in His wisdom, mercy and grace can decipher this conundrum....but....we can be sure of one thing..."shall not the Judge of all the Earth do right?"
An individual who is influenced by another is not thereby less responsible, nor has CMI ever claimed that. But it would be naive not to be aware of the influencing factors. My recent book (see www.onehumanfamily.us) shows how even my own mother was influenced by the milieu of her times (Nazi Germany's social Darwinism). See also responses to Jeff on this comments thread.
tony B., France, 13 June 2012
If ever proof was needed about the ill-effects of religion, this is it. Hitler also went to a Catholic seminary and his record was as bad if not worse. As Bertrand Russell said ' Religion is a disesae born of fear and is s source of untold misery to the human race'.
One doesn't know where to start; Hitler was raised a Catholic, but never went to any seminary. For a thoroughly documented refutation of the myth about Nazis being Christian (they actually planned to exterminate the church) type the words 'Hitler' and 'Christian' into our search engine and read several of the articles that appear, particularly The Christian Nazi Myth Refuted. See also comments responding to Jeff on this thread.
Alan M., Canada, 13 June 2012
The combination of Darwin, Marx and Stalin can only be seen as a troika of Satanic conspiracy. These three forces join not by some accident of history but because Satan first exploited their weakness of character and then anointed them to delude the human race and the church. Their effectiveness I believe stems from the naive liberal belief in the West that mankind is essentially good. Aren't we all good people?
Greg A., United States, 13 June 2012
Certainly Stalin's father et al deserve some blame but we must remember that Stalin also likely read the same (never have seen those Orthodox Bibles) Bible as you and I and never lay hold of the ultimate "Truth"; so many other people during that time did have true Faith. Stalin is to blame for who he was. Acts 17:26-28 "in the hopes that they might grope for Him".
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C. S., Australia, 13 June 2012
I recently watched a 3 part series about Stalin on SBS. This series was an eye opener in the fact that it showed just how lost Stalin was.
I would blame the father for his treatment of his son, and the seminary. If you think about it, the authority figures in Stalin's life sowed the wind that reaped the whirlwind.
Those people have a lot to answer for.