The Koran qur an vs Genesis (R)
I had an interesting conversation with a Muslim once about the fall of Satan. Apparently he was kicked out of heaven for refusing to worship man, whereas the Bible clearly states he was kicked out for trying to become God, the same temptation/deception he used on Eve, and Adam who did know better, the same lie Satan uses today, you can become God.
P.S.: a Muslim is allowed to outright lie in the course of furthering Islam, a Christian is expressly forbidden to lie.
Indeed, the Koran in Surah 2:34 says (Yusuf Ali translation):
"And behold, We said to the angels: 'Bow down to Adam' and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith."
God is so full of Love, God made the laws of the world so that He could Love and therefore we could complete Him by Loving others. If Muslims do believe that God is almighty then they should acknowledge His Son who knows the Father and knows all of the decisions God has made. Not just believing in assumptions.
One thing is clear about Muslims. They reject the thought that God come down to earth in human form (and to make it worse for Muslims as a Jew). To admit that Jesus was such a being they would have to reject their Muslim faith. The two are incompatible.
In reply to her question... and asked, ‘Dad, I’ve been thinking … our bodies are unclean! Why would God, who is pure, sully himself by coming down to Earth in human form?’ .... I would say... "The same reason I would reach down and pick you up out of a mud hole and cuddle, comfort, and love you!"
Notice how in the first five paragraphs, the woman tried to blend the teachings of islam with the teachings of Christianity. Trying to blend the teachings of one religion (be it evolution, islam, or another religion) with the teachings of Christianity is just asking for trouble.
2009 was the 200th anniversaryof the birth of Charles Darwin and the 150th anniversary of The Origin of Species. In Turkey, 96% Muslim a popular science magazine had to be withdrawn because it conflicted with Koranic account of the 6 day creation. Muslims are far more believing of the 6day creation than are Christians. Do you have any explanation as to why Islam was adopted in the Middle East when Christianity had been in existance for about 400 years? Many have found Christianity wanting especially the lack of the srtict rules Islam imposes on its adherents. The Koran says many times, God is merciful and compassionate, surely that is as good as love?
Actually, the Koran does not speak about the age of the earth (in contrast with the detailed genealogies of the Bible), and does not demand a global Flood. Little wonder then that Muslim 'creationist' organisations limit their impressively glossy publications to speaking of design, and stasis in the fossil record ('living fossils'). Contrast that with CMI's publications which devote much space and time to dealing also with genomic decay and other mutational evidence unequivocally consistent with the biblical account of a creation 'in bondage to decay' (Romans 8:19-22), and to evidence consistent with rapid preservation of fossils, rapid sedimentation and the globality of the Flood, and to a young age of the solar system and universe.
As for your statement "surely that is as good as love", well, Jesus said that "by their fruit you will know them". In your own country of France, I'm sure you would be aware of areas where emergency services (ambulances, even police) dare not go without armed protection. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me those areas do not have a majority of people who believe that Jesus is the Son of God.
And re conversions: surely you would be aware of the very strong physical selection pressure in majority-Muslim areas against anyone courageous enough to stand firm in Christ?
The similarities between the Qur'an and the Bible are no indication that the former is in any sense the living Word of the Living God. The Qur'an is no more the God-breathed revelation than the statue of Lincoln in Washington, large and impressive though it may be,and however much it may resemble Honest Abe, is the man himself.
Keep contending for the faith once for all delivered to the saints.
I just Love it! & feel the anointing all over it!
All but Christianity excludes the Way. There is only One Way to God, not two, not a million. If the Way is a lie, the whole basis is not founded & built on the Truth. There is only One Truth, not two, not a million. If it’s not the Truth, it’s not Life. There is only One Life, not two, not a million. Jesus Said I AM the Way, the Truth and the Life, NO MAN comes to the Father except by Me! Life comes from Love. God is Love. For God so Loved the world, that He gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting Life.. There is One God, not two, not a million. If it’s not Love, it’s nothing. The end justifies the means; the means equally justifies the end, the Gift of God is Eternal Life, the Bride of Christ…andyou can’t touch that! On Christ the Solid Rock I Stand, all other ground is sinking sand! Evolution stirs the religious pot & mixes in nicely with the rest of the ingredients & it’s not a pot of gold! Nough said.
Muslims are indoctrinated at very early ages in their lives. They actually learn to recite the Koran but can hardly interpret what they read. They are good at adhering to specific ordinances and rules whereas issues of doctrine escape them. They hardly question whatever they are taught.
An extreme case I know is that of a muslim man in his 50's who can recite the Koran in Arabic but he can't communicate in that language nor understand what he's saying.
In their view, mercifulness overrides justice,* love does not include grace, forgiveness precludes atonement, and you can buy your way into heaven with good deeds.
(* --based on an experience at a Christian Message Board where a muslim questioned the Fall and the Redeeming Messiah by formulating that God could have 'mercifully' forgiven Adam, thus making the Curse and Jesus' Atonement totally superfluous as means of satisfying God's Justice.)
NEVER BEFORE WE IMAGINED THAT A PERSON COULD REACH THIS DEGREE OF DECEPTION AND DELUSION .....
NEVER BEFORE WE IMAGINED THAT COMMITING ALL INTENDED FALLACIES IS THE WAY OF A RELIGIOUS PERSON.....
YOUR DECEPTIONAL FALLACIES ARE BASED ON ONE BIG ,HUGE HIDING OF TRUTH :
QURAN IS NOT FOLLOWING THE BIBLICAL MYTHS , THE QURAN IS CORRECTING ALL THE NONSENSE OF THE BIBLICAL ORIGIN LEGEND....
WE KNOW THAT FOR SOME PERSONS IT IS VERY VERY DIFFICULT TO BE HONEST IN STATING THE OPPOSITE VIEW ,BUT IN YOUR CASE IT IS NOT ONLY DISHONESTY BUT INTENTIONAL DECEPTION........SHAME.
JESUS HIMSELF WILL CURSE YOU IN A SHORT TIME WHEN WE ALL MEET TRUTH IN THE MOMENT OF ULTIMATE TRUTH......DEATH.
SO YOU WILL KNOW THEN BUT ALAS....TOO LATE.
I HAD CORRESPONDENCE BEFORE WITH YOU IN WHICH I FOUND A PERSON WHO IS TOTALLY IMPERVIOUS TO TRUTH........SHAME
For further clarification that the QURAN corrects and adjust all biblical statements to correspond to true revelation which was corrupted please compare the story of joseph in the bible and in the QURAN to see and feel the strong presence of GOD in the QURANIC discourse and the total lack of it in the biblical narration.
A very strong proof you can find in the direct majestic royal discourse where GOD speaks directly to his messenger or to humanity....there is not a single direct discourse from GOD in the whole bible ,all what you find is indirect tale by some one ABOUT what GOD said not HIS MAJESTIC ROYAL DIRECT DISCOURSE , please do this and see by your self.
This advice is directed to all readers with due respect.
IF ALL OF TRUE SCIENCE DECLARE THAT A GLOBAL FLOOD IS IMPOSSIBLE....
AND IF THE QURAN MENTION A LOCAL FLOOD....THEN ANY REASONABLE PERSON WILL FOLLOW THE QURAN.
IF THE BIBLE SAYS THAT LOT HAD INTERCOURSE WITH HER DAUGHTERS , AND THE QURAN DECLARED THAT ALL PROPHETS OF GOD ARE PERFECT....THEN HOW CAN YOU ACCEPT SUCH AN ABSURDITY ?
IN GENESIS GOD SPEAKS TO HIMSELF , WHO HEARD HIM ? DID HE TELL MOSES ? WHERE DO YOU FIND THIS ?.....SPEAKING TO ONE SELF COMES ONLY FROM CONTINGENT PERSON SO IN THE QURAN IT NEVER HAPPENED FROM GOD.
FAILURE TO PUBLISH THIS PROVES YOUR COMPLETE PREJUDICE AND DECEPTION OF THE PUBLIC.
TO BE HONEST , SINCERE AND JUST TELL READERS THE FOLLOWING :
1-HISTORY PROVES THAT IN ALL PAGAN PEOPLES THE CONCEPT OF god-goddess-son WAS THE NORM , HIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE QURAN DECLARED CONCERNING CONCEPT OF son of god.
2-TELL THEM ABOUT THE GREAT BOOK ( ORTHODOX CORRUPTION OF SCRIPTURE ).
3-TELL THEM ABOUT A SEARCH LIGHT BOOK TITLED ( HARLOT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD BY JONATHAN KIRSCH ).
4-TELL THEM THAT THE QURAN DECLARED THE FIRM RULE : HUMANS ARE TOTALLY FREE TO CHOSE WHAT THEY BELIEVE.
SO TELL THE TALES PERHAPS THEY WILL REFLECT.....this is end of one quranic verse ,see how GOD urges people to think,by the way tell us one verse in the whole bible where GOD urges humans to think.
Matthew 22:36-38 -- "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment.
1 Peter 1:13 -- Therefore, preparing your minds for action, and being sober-minded, set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Philippians 4:8 -- Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.
EVEN IN YOUR COMPARISON ABOVE , THE QURAN SCORES WITH NO COMPETITION.......
MY FRIEND : IN A REVELATION BY GOD AS GUIDANCE FOR HUMANITY THE DISCOURSE MUST BE ABOUT GENERALS NOT PARTICULARS.....WHAT DO WE CARE ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE SHIP OR OF THE SKIN THAT ADAM PUT ON , DO WE REALLY CARE ABOUT HOW MANY COWS WERE IN THE SHIP ? DO WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT BEFORE THE FALL ALL WERE VEGETARIANS WHILE EATING PLANTS IS KILLING PLANT CELLS OR PLANTS ARE NOT LIVING BEINGS ?
THINK MY FRIEND , THINK.
Here is one ultimate comparison :
Let me mention one only of the attributes of GOD that is his being all-knowing ,when GOD declares his knowledge he does not just say i am all knowing , but HE show humanity some of his theophanies in existence .
SO here is a basic comparison :
state all the omni-science theophanies in the QURAN and the bible sharp and clear.
HERE EVERY ONE CAN SEE WHAT TRUE REVELATION DECLARE ABOUT GOD and what human imagination imagine.
Please every reader ; this is a matter of heaven or hell , take it as your ultimate concern , i care for every one so please take my advice as top serious.
I'm a Christian and I don't like the cross religious argument. When such always happens point out Malachi 3:6 "I am the Lord and I do not change" yesterday today forever till forever meets no end, you like it or not, Jesus Christ is Lord.
"QURAN IS NOT FOLLOWING THE BIBLICAL MYTHS , THE QURAN IS CORRECTING ALL THE NONSENSE OF THE BIBLICAL ORIGIN LEGEND...."
How do you know that Genesis is a myth, and how do you know that what the Qu'ran says is true? Using your logic, could I not argue that Genesis is true, the Qu'ran is a myth, and Muhammad was a false prophet?
"WE KNOW THAT FOR SOME PERSONS IT IS VERY VERY DIFFICULT TO BE HONEST IN STATING THE OPPOSITE VIEW ,BUT IN YOUR CASE IT IS NOT ONLY DISHONESTY BUT INTENTIONAL DECEPTION........SHAME."
In order to accuse someone of deception, you need to prove that he/she intentionally reported the opposite of what they know to be true, and you have not produced any evidence of CMI doing such a thing. However, in your Islamic worldview, why would deception be wrong? Does not your own Qu'ran in Sura 3:54 call the god of Islam the "greatest of deceivers"? If the god you believe in lies, then why would lying be wrong? Also, in order for a lie to exist, absolute truth must exist first, as a lie is a deviation from the truth. If the god you worship is not absolutely truthful, then on what basis is anything true or false?
In order to perceive anything as a lie and in order to perceive deception as wrong, then you must borrow from the Biblical worldview, which says that God cannot lie (Titus 1:2), and that we shall not lie to one another (Levitiucs 19:11).