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The root of the problem

8 August 2003

As a young mother of a three year old, I am afraid for the future of this world. It is because of attitudes towards things not ‘biblical’ like those expressed on this web site, that we face the social problems we do. After visiting this site I have come to the conclusion that Christianity is not the answer to a lack of morals presently faced, it is the root of the problem. The majority of the problems facing all modern societies are grounded in the issue of overpopulation. As an example I would like to point out that the environment is being destroyed at a rapid rate, this means we are quickly loosing breathable air, and edible food. Your answer to this problem seems to be that your god made this earth for you and therefore it is ok to pillage it. Had you not held this belief for so long our population problem would not be as large as it is. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it true that you are told to reproduce, not because nature drives you too, but because your god said to. Population problems house social problems also. These are the result once again of too many people. Perhaps if you took the time to step outside your god made box you would recognize that the notions you hold sacred, are not as perfect as you think them to be. If your god has created all of this in perfection for man in his image perhaps he also had the insight to recognize that these problems may occur — seems he did not.
–Christie Deering, USA

Dear Christie,

Thank you for contacting us. I read your email and I was kind of disturbed. It seems you have asserted several things about creation ministries and Christians that I simply can’t find in the Bible. Perhaps I just don’t understand what you are saying but I will comment further and please take the time to read.

As a young mother of a three year old, I am afraid for the future of this world.

I completely agree with you here, at least from an earthly perspective. But since this life is not the end of existence, I do have hope for the future.

It is because of attitudes towards things not ‘biblical’ like those expressed on this web site, that we face the social problems we do.

Since you put ‘biblical’ in quotes, what, on our website, is not biblical? Our intent is to be a presuppositional ministry based first and foremost on the Bible.

After visiting this site I have come to the conclusion that Christianity is not the answer to a lack of morals presently faced, it is the root of the problem.

The basis for morality comes from the Bible. Such morals as ‘do not murder’, ‘do not steal’, ‘do not commit adultery’, ‘do not marry a close relation’, come from the Bible, which teaches an absolute authority based on the existence of God.

If you don’t start moral sets on God then where do they come from? They would come from men. But no two people believe the same thing. So who would be right—the rapist, the murderer, the thief, or one who doesn’t do all these things? They are all right in their own eyes. Without God, there is no way you could ever tell someone they are right or wrong. Ultimately, in the system of beliefs by man, there is no right or wrong. Only God can determine right and wrong as He created us and only He knows what is best.

The majority of the problems facing all modern societies are grounded in the issue of overpopulation. As an example I would like to point out that the environment is being destroyed at a rapid rate, this means we are quickly loosing breathable air, and edible food.

Is that so? Did you know that all six billion people living on planet Earth could all fit into an area the size of England, with more than 20 square metres each? See Where are all the people? Sounds like you’re relying on doomsayers like the atheistic population bombardier Paul Ehrlich, who was completely discredited when none of his ‘prophecies’ about mass famines and shortages came even close to being fulfilled.

I also note your gross inconsistency about the population problem—three years ago you increased the world’s population by one! If the most strident population doommongers were consistent, they would lead by example and reduce the population by removing themselves! (Please note: we are not supporting such actions but are saying this to prove our point.)

How does over population in cities cause theft and murder in rural places where hardly anyone lives? There is a moral decline there as well without a population problem.

Your answer to this problem seems to be that your god made this earth for you and therefore it is ok to pillage it.

We don’t serve any ‘god’, but the true God. The Bible says that man is given dominion to rule over the earth (Genesis 1:28). The Bible also says that the earth is God’s, not ours (Psalm 24:1). We are required to be good stewards of the land, not to pillage it. This is a false concept of Christians. See the article Earth Day: Is Christianity to blame for environment problems?

Had you not held this belief for so long our population problem would not be as large as it is.

This sounds strange, even if the population doommongers are right, since China, where atheism, Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism reigns, has the world’s largest population ‘problem.’ Second largest population ‘problem’ is India where Hinduism and Islam reigns. But really, the problem is not with lots of people, but with corruption, greed, faulty distribution of the world’s food resources with some countries dumping excess food. This is shown by the fact that many of the prosperous countries of the West actually have much higher population densities than the so-called overpopulated ones. Conversely, African countries with alleged population problems actually have a low population density. Third world countries without God would have population problems if it weren’t for so much disease and malnutrition problems. Now with Darwinism and atheism creeping into our cities, we see terrible effects.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it true that you are told to reproduce, not because nature drives you too, but because your god said to.

Yes, you are wrong. God said to, not god. A god could be anything such a Zeus, Dionysus, etc. The true God, who created us and therefore owns us so has the right to make the rules for us, said to ‘be fruitful and multiply,’ and he also gave the purpose: to ‘fill the earth.’ But you are making the assumption that God doesn’t know what will happen. If you look at some animals, when the population gets high, they slow their reproduction and vice versa. But we are actually a long way from that.

Population problems house social problems also. These are the result once again of too many people.

Rather, they are the result of unfair social conditions that treat people badly. As I’ve said, the West copes just fine with a far higher population densities in places, and this is because they are still living on Christian capital.

Perhaps if you took the time to step outside your god made box you would recognize that the notions you hold sacred, are not as perfect as you think them to be.

Perhaps if you took the time to step outside your evolution-made box you would recognize that the notions you hold sacred, are not as perfect as you think them to be. In fact, under your own belief system, you have no basis for thinking that anything is objectively right or wrong.

If history truly happened as evolutionists said then where are all the people? The population now is close to the common estimate if the world was repopulated 4500 years ago. Again, see Where are all the people?

If your god has created all of this in perfection for man in his image perhaps he also had the insight to recognize that these problems may occur—seems he did not.

Christie Deering
US

Once again, God is not god. A god could be anything such a Zeus, Dionysus, etc. What you fail to realize is the 3rd chapter of Genesis. God created everything perfectly (Genesis 1:31), and then man rebelled and God cursed the creation (Genesis 3:19, Romans 8:20–22). Things are no longer perfect but are in state of decay. It is strange that you would actually think that this world is the way God originally created it. I look forward to the time when God restores things to the original state (Acts 3:21), then creates a new heavens and new earth where there will be no more death, tears, or pain (Revelation 21:4), because there will be no more curse (Revelation 22:3). Please take the time to read: Why is there death and suffering?, How did bad things come about?

We pray this helps. God bless.
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I admit that I am not a biblical expert, very far from it — I’m not even currently a member of a church, but I plan on becoming one. I can, however, use my own reasoning and common sense to see that your article about Bishop Spong is very well written, researched, and clearly credible. I just wanted to take a second to thank you for it. I saw an advertisement on [link deleted per feedback rules] (I believe that’s where I saw it) on Spong’s site, and checked it out. I was shocked to see him saying that the bible basically condones homosexuality and morality comes, not from the bible, but from society. I couldn’t imagine someone saying that and claiming to be a Christian, so I searched the web and found this artile. I have read numerous articles on this site in the past, and this one, like all others, is just wondeful to read. It helped explain a lot, and it really helps in one’s own defense of the faith. Thanks so much for this article and the site as a whole.

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