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Whats in an Egg (R)
Readers’ comments
Chuck J., United States, 2 January 2013
Question … I have had recent thoughts that those advocating abortion are biologically wrong when they claim that the embryo is part of the woman’s body. It seems that from what I've read many years ago, any transmission of blood from the mother to the embryo would kill the embryo as the the mother's system would see the baby as a foreign invader and develop antibodies to kill it. The fertilized egg must first develop defensive mechanisms to fool the host, the mother. Please pardon my ignorance, but is the baby really part of the mother's body or just an egg shell? Have you already addressed this somewhere that I could read?
Indeed, we have an article on that very topic: Abortion argument unravels—How the unborn child defends itself against its mother, confirming that he/she is a separate human being from the start.
Also, here is an argument against the baby being part of the mother's body, to illustrate the technique of logical argumentation called reductio ad absurdum.
In 2010, we published an article, Unborn babies may “be planning their future”: What now for the abortion lobby? This discussed a New Scientist article that stated:
Could a fetus lying in the womb be planning its future? The question comes from the discovery that brain areas thought to be involved in introspection and other aspects of consciousness are fully formed in newborn babies.
michael S., United Kingdom, 2 January 2013
Evolutionary belief DRIVES evolutionists, and drives them hard, against the clear weight of the bare facts, - that an extremely sophisticated and orderly system is created, over being randomly splurged. Now for all the creative sophistry they would apply in telling me I am wrong about that, at the end of the day, it still comes down to a random splurge versus immense wisdom and unsearchable knowledge.
Now think - to write a book containing great wisdom and unsearchable knowledge, which is the best answer for what written that book? Someone with great wisdom and knowledge to match what the book contains OR, a random burst of ink splurged for no reason?
Just as a blind, legless dog would be inferior as a goal-scorer, to a footballer, an all-wise mind is superior in thinking than a thoughtless, blind, inadequate, naturalistic and unproven mechanism.
I think the sophistication of the evolution theory scares those with weak, conforming-faith. But that sophistication exists not because evolution is true, but because they have to reason away the truth, and to do that, you need a very clever and complete theory, that seemingly is impossible to refute. You then stick to that theory even upon pain of death, in your level of stubbornness, as well as your agreeing peers, and *bang* - there you have it, the duped oblivious masses.
If only man would search his heart.
Andrea M., United States, 2 January 2013
Actually, I thought you would have touched on the “chicken or the egg first?” question by referencing this finding announced in 2010 (although I haven’t searched your archives so you may have commented on this finding when it was announced): the chicken had to have come first because the protein that builds the egg shell is found only in adult chickens’ ovaries: [web link deleted as per feedback rules]
Thanks for this fascinating information. I think the reason that this 2002 article failed to include this 2010 information was that the author inexcusably lacks time travel ability ;)
Actually, our policy is to try to publish one article per week from our Creation magazine archives, and this means selecting articles that are still “fresh”. We think Dr Catchpoole’s article provides fascinating information, and most importantly, none to our knowledge has been superseded by more recent discoveries. Compare also the 1993 article The mind of God and the ‘big bang’ which we could republish in 2010 with only the most minor editorial changes because so little needed updating.
Our readers certainly deserve to benefit from your discovery, so here goes:
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
British scientists claim to have solved the mystery
msnbc.msn.com, 14 July 2010
It is an age-old riddle that has perplexed generations: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Now British scientists claim to have finally come up with the definitive answer: The chicken.
The scientific and philosophical mystery was purportedly unraveled by researchers at Sheffield and Warwick universities, according to the Daily Mail newspaper.
The scientists found that a protein found only in a chicken's ovaries is necessary for the formation of the egg, according to the paper Wednesday. The egg can therefore only exist if it has been created inside a chicken.
The protein speeds up the development of the hard shell, which is essential in protecting the delicate yolk and fluids while the chick grows inside the egg, the report said.
“It had long been suspected that the egg came first but now we have the scientific proof that shows that in fact the chicken came first,” said Dr. Colin Freeman, from Sheffield University’s Department of Engineering Materials, according to the Mail.
“The protein had been identified before and it was linked to egg formation, but by examining it closely we have been able to see how it controls the process,” he said.
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Esther E., United States, 8 January 2013
I raised chickens for a number of years and what I found interesting is the baby and the shell had an understanding. As the baby gets close to coming out the shell changes from so the chicks can peck though. Another observation is the chick had a dance as it made its way around the shell. I made the mistake of helping the chick as I thought it was in distress only to have a deformed chick on my hands. If the baby did not go through a "s" shape dance the head and back did not form, and the feet would be deformed as well. I did manage to save several of these chicks but they were always a nuisance to care for. I only took care of the because I made the mistake. Just like human babies coming down the channel to be birth the chick does the same thing. I call it a dance. I learned that the chick needs the struggle in order to come out ready to meet the needs of the world. It is like us humans, we need the struggles of life in order to make us strong and efficient. So often we do to much, and we make misfits. It is in the trials of life we grow.
Chandrasekaran M., Australia, 2 January 2013
It is amazing what a fertilised egg has to grow into its own kind! All the DNA information to construct its infancy to its adult body using only relevant materials including nerve system, brain, heart, blood vessels, hearing, seeing, digestive system and reproductive system is encoded in the materials of an egg.
If only Darwin knew the amazing complexity in DNA information, would he have still believed in natural selection and mutation leading to molecules-to-moral-human evolution?