Confirmations from creationist cosmology and countering ‘close encounters’
Published: 4 June 2011 (GMT+10)
This week’s feedback features a testimony from Jeremy H. from Australia about how the creationist cosmologies of Dr Russ Humphreys and Prof. John Hartnett helped him see the truth of Genesis. Gary Bates also responds to some comments about addressing UFO believers.
Jeremy H. from Australia gave us his testimony:
Hello CMI,I just wanted to thank you guys for your ministry. Holding firm to the Bible as well as being thorough and accurate in the science you perform.As a recent chemistry/forensic science graduate I was at first intimidated about entering the work force; in case it was like University (like evolution being shoved down throats in my few biology classes).But soon after starting in my current job I found out that two of the other young scientists are also Christians and one led me to your site, which has been very helpful.One such area was the cosmologies which have been published on your site, by I believe Russell Humphreys and John Hartnett. Though I may not have understood all the physics in these articles, the general concepts were evident enough. I always believed in a plain understanding of Genesis, but never really had an explanation for visible starlight; besides God made the place, so he just speed up the light to us or something.
Your feedback articles are always good to read, because it is quite possible that these same questions may get thrown at me and other Christian Scientists during our working lives. It is commendable that maybe like 99% (who else likes throwing out random statistics!) of the feedback’s I’ve read to detractors and the like are courteous, accurate, etc. Understandably the sheer volume of negative/denigrating/etc. emails you surely get can wear down patience.I sincerely thank you for the work that is done here and just quietly wish for less technical biology articles and more technical chemistry articles!Regards,Jeremy H.PS. I also just don’t understand how people can still believe in the big bang. Though I guess when God spoke the universe into being he may have been shouting and hence a ‘big bang’! But seriously now, since when has anybody seen an explosion create anything, let alone the complexity seen in our universe. Too bad we can’t just explode all of the garbage dumps and get lots of useful stuff out of it! (I’ll stop my ranting now heh) Thanks again for your ministry.
Chris W. from Australia wrote in response to Avatar aspirations:
The comments/answer by Gary Bates of a letter from Pat K. does not come over well as I perceive it.Pat’s letter is broken down bit by bit (and so it should be) but in answering her first statement, Gary not only comments on that but also includes comments on additional points that Kay supposedly wrote further on but we haven’t come across or read yet.Gary did the same for Pat’s next comment. How can we judge Gary’s reply if we haven’t even read these further comments by Pat?I know Gary is battling a hardened case with this person but he sounds anything but gentle. Perhaps he got out of bed on the wrong side just before answering Pat’s letter.I have read quite a few articles on this site but it’s probably well below 1%. I visit daily and longingly look forward to the next subject.The whole thrust of CMI is spot on!It’s just a pity Gary’s latest stands out so.
Gary Bates responds;
Thanks for your email and comments.
It’s always a tough decision whether to publicly post feedbacks to people who are deeply into UFOlogy. Often I have made predictions with my CMI colleagues about many feedbacks that we have not publicly posted about the potential level or depth of involvement of those writing. I believe that much of it would shock the average reader. In my experience, I’ve found that there are generally two types of persons that comment or inquire about the UFO phenomenon. There are those genuine seekers who are looking for explanations or closure about what they’ve seen or what has happened to them, and then those who have simply made their mind up about the phenomenon—a kind of ‘case closed’ belief.
This second group, who are given over deeply to it, often write in a hostile manner, probably because they’ve had some experience that isolates them somewhat, to the extent that they believe that we cannot know what we are talking about, and are somehow ignorant about the ‘truth’, because we’ve not had the experience. Said experience often becomes a defining life-changing experience for most that now shapes their whole worldview. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11, reminds us that “Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.”
In the same way that we seek to undermine someone’s evolutionary worldview (that’s what evolutionists also seek to do to Christians), we are trying to destroy the bedrock upon which someone’s worldview thinking is based. In UFOlogy though, it is that much harder because people have seen something or had an experience, that transcends even logical thinking. The event might be real, but of course is not truthful in the sense that it is little green men from another planet. Especially, in the area of abductions, I’ve had the most success with these types by being assertive in trying to help them realize that what they believe or have been told is a lie. I call the entities “liars”, for example, and it is very confronting for those who’ve had experiences with deceptive entities, especially when those entities are telling victims that they are the good guys and are here to help them, and often feel that they are special as a result of the experience. Once you can get someone doubting the lies they’ve been told, then it is the beginning of the end of the deceptive experiences. In many cases, the people who contact me/us, eventually reveal that they have had some kind of experience. As such, the experience/entities etc. becomes a kind of authority in their life. One has to be very assertive in trying to shake them out of the experience and the belief system. While it might seem a touch aggressive etc. we simply must get them to start doubting in the sense of “Could what happened to me be a deception. Have I really been lied to?” So, instead of opening the door to the experiences, they might not be so sure now, which helps shut that previously open doorway. It’s very difficult to have a rational debate about the science or ‘facts’ when someone claims to have seen something or had an experience that is ‘truth’, or simply believes that the thousands of sightings are overwhelming evidence of alien visitations.
In short, I am saying that if I perceive that there is more involvement that might not be obvious to the lay reader, I will often deliberately take a strong line in an effort to undermine their belief in such things. I hope that explains the approach. BTW there were no deleted or further comments.
Incidentally, you will note from other feedback that others thought my tone was appropriate.
For further reading I recommend my book. It often shocks many as to what is really happening to folks and what they are seeing and experiencing. And the following articles.
- Aliens, evolution and the occult
- The UFO phenomenon—growing and not going away!
- The Fourth Kind movie review
- Alien Apologetics
- Reaching out at Roswell
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