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Speciation is not evolution

Rapid speciation is part of the creation model

Published: 18 August 2018 (GMT+10)

J. C has accused CMI of being ignorant of science, evolution, and speciation. Typical for such commentators, he demonstrates a lack of understanding about what biblical creationists actually believe. We reproduce his letters to us below. CMI’s Joel Tay responds1:

When one writes, speaks or proselytizes about a subject as complex and serious as evolution, it behooves the speaker/writer to know his/her subject. It is unworthy of a "scientist" to take material out of context and to simplify things that are complex for the sake of derision. Allow me to invite you to read objectively the information in the web-site here after; [External website omitted as per standard practice.]

Dear J. C.,

I have a degree in Evolutionary Biology and Genetics. I am certainly familiar with the topic of speciation, and I agree, for the most part, with the discussion of speciation on that webpage. We have, for example mentioned cases of co-speciation of wasp and bacteria population by nothing more than differing species of bacteria in their gut, as well as speciation resulting from hybridization. In this same article, we also mentioned allopatric speciation occurring due to physical/geographical barriers, the founder effect, genetic drift, and other mechanisms of speciation. Many of these speciation mechanisms would come into play after the Biblical flood, for example, as the animals disperse all over the Earth. We have even published articles on speciation resulting from gene duplication and allodiploid hybrids. What we have already published on our website on speciation is more comprehensive than the web articles you just forwarded to us. You have failed to do your homework.

The Biblical Creation model actually predicts and requires not just speciation, but rapid speciation! Creationists believe that after the Flood, each animal kind (baramin) rapidly diversified, over just a few thousand years, often forming new species in the process. But speciation is not evolution! In fact, we had written about how the rapid rate of speciation continues to astonish evolutionists in cases of new species of mosquitoes, weeds, and house mice. The idea that creationists do not believe in the formation of new species is a strawman argument often put forth by uninformed evolutionists, and you yourself have fallen for that fallacy. In reality, anyone familiar with creationist literature would know that creationists reject the fixity of species—we even mention fixity of species as an argument creationists should not use! Interestingly, the fixity of species was actually taught by Darwin’s anti-biblical mentor, Charles Lyell, and it has more to do with the teachings of Aristotle than the teaching of the Bible.

As you said, “[W]hen one writes, speaks or proselytizes about a subject as complex and serious as evolution, it behooves the speaker/writer to know his/her subject.” I have done this. In like manner, I would encourage you to familiarize yourself with creationist literature and what creationists actually believe about speciation. This chapter from our updated Refuting Evolution 2 book should give a brief overview of the subject.

J.C. wrote back a second time. I will split up his response below and intersperse my comments:

Thank you for your email. I am glad to see that we both have degrees in Evolutionary Biology and Genetics. That makes for an even playing field. I am also glad to see that we agree on the mechanisms of speciation in general. I also agree that the Biblical flood is a genetic bottleneck event interfering with the way natural selection and therefore evolution would have taken place.

I would encourage you to continue to search through the 11,500+ articles we have on our website and familiarize yourself with some of our key resources, such as Evolution’s Achilles’ Heels.


Natural selection is not evolution as already explained in the links I sent in my previous email. ‘Selection’ selects from something pre-existing; it selects out of; it is not ‘natural invention’. Therefore affirming natural selection and speciation is not the same thing as affirming evolution. Natural selection is a necessary part of the creation model for rapid speciation. It is a process of culling, of choosing between several traits, all of which must be in existence before they can be selected. Evolution on the other hand, requires the generation of radically new functions—not simple changes, but incredibly complex ones, like how to convert sugars to energy, or how to take the energy in sunlight and store it in sugar molecules. To do this, evolutionists appeal to mutations. But as Dr. Robert Carter wrote in his article on the four dimensional human genome, the complexity of the human genome stores information on at least 4 different dimensions (The linear DNA molecule is the first dimension, the 2-D interaction network represents a second dimension, the physical shape of the DNA in the nucleus is the third dimension, and all of that changes in the fourth dimension, time.). The simultaneous encoding of multi-dimensional information makes it impossible for evolutionists to explain the origin of the genome by means of ‘slow and gradual’ steps, one mutation at a time. I recommend Dr. Robert Carter’s The High Tech Cell if you want more information on this. As stated in his article Can Mutations Create New Information, Dr. Carter writes, “Evolution has to explain how the four-dimensional genome, with multiple overlapping codes and chock full of meta-information, came about. Can a mutation create new information? Perhaps, but only in the most limited sense. Can it create the kind of information needed to produce a genome? Absolutely not!” Furthermore, time only degrades the genome due to genetic entropy. This is yet another subject we have discussed in depth.

Apparently where we differ is on the subject of the existence of such a flood and the time table on which evolution/speciation takes place. Just how much time are we talking about when it comes to the creationist date of the Universal Flood? Obviously the Biblical Creation model must predict and require not just speciation, but rapid speciation. But, just what does it entail as for its starting time and its duration? In other words just what is the date of this flood and how do you know that?”

P.S. Isn’t speciation an essential part of the mechanisms that motors evolution?

You can read more about this in Dr. Jonathan Sarfati’s, The Genesis Account, where he not only deals with the timing of the flood, but also details how pre-Darwinian creation scientists deduced post-Flood speciation from the Flood account itself. Dr. Robert Carter has also done significant research on human population genetics. In The Non-Mythical Adam and Eve, Dr. Carter demonstrates that starting with Adam and Eve, genetic drift over time would have created an allele frequency spectrum similar to what we see today. So the prediction stemming from Biblical creation matches what we see in the human genome. In his paper published in the Journal of Creation (volume 30(2):102-111, 2016), Carter examines the genetic effects of the recent population bottleneck associated with the Genesis Flood, and demonstrates that a biblical population model fit very well with what we see in the modern human population. In the book Genetic Entropy, and in The Mystery of our Declining Genes, Dr. John Sanford makes predictions about human genetics based on the biblical creation, old-earth creation, and evolution. Then by modeling human-like populations on the computing software, Mendel’s accountant, Sanford demonstrates that the Biblical model of human population genetics model fits the evidence much better than the evolutionary alternative. More recently, Sanford, Carter, and additional colleagues recently published a groundbreaking new paper on the subject. They were able to show that the biblical model reflect the real world, fitting the results derived from such models to the 1000 Genomes Project data. In fact, the biblical model was a better fit than the evolutionary model. In another publication, they showed that historical changes in human Y chromosome and mitochondria DNA reflect biblical history. 

On a side note, if natural selection and speciation are predicted by both creationists and evolutionists, how then can speciation be evidence against creation? This is a classic error, as explained in How to think (not what to think). Instead, the evidence makes a lot more sense when interpreted through the biblical account of creation. In contrast, evolutionists have a difficult time accounting for the evidence given, with what we now know about genetics today. Evolutionists have a “time” problem, where on the one hand they have insufficient time to account for ape-human evolution (see also the subject of Haldane’s dilemma), while on the other hand they have too much time for genetic entropy. They do not have a mechanism in natural selection and speciation that can account for evolution (since natural selection is a process of culling, and not a creative process), and neither do they have an adequate mechanism in mutations (especially when accompanied by experimental evidence) for the generation of complex meta-information in the context of a four dimensional DNA. So, replying to your question of whether speciation is an essential part of that mechanism that powers evolution, the answer is a clear ‘no’.

Respectfully Yours,
J. C.

Joel Tay

References and notes

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Readers’ comments

Roseanne A.
It is soo sad to see that soo many people out there think that evolution is fact and that they dont realize the train of evolution is heading downwards (genetic entropy) rather than heading upwards.. Thanks CMI for making us realize this so that we could tell others also.. God bless u all
Michael S.
Just a point on fast speciation, since both JC and JT have qualifications in evolution, they will both know evolution is predicated on reproduction, specifically, not an amount of time passed. For example if a human reproduced on average every 20 years, in the same time birds would have give rise to 20 generations, if we are to keep it simple and approximate. So then what would be 4,500 years for birds? Well humans under that simple approximation would have 225 generations pass if we keep the maths on that simple level of adding one new generation every 20 years. We're using the same maths for birds so it's FAIR, so to speak. So then 225 generations for birds would happen in only 225 real years.

What am I getting at? My point is if there are doves on the ark, species of them, as Genesis says for birds that, "every kind of every sort" was taken aboard, then really in 4,500 real years, "fast speciation" would be doves becoming doves in 90,000 bird years so to speak. So if you think about it like that, 4,500 years since the flood certainly isn't the same amount of "evolutionary time" so to speak, as it is for birds or squirrels.
Joel Tay
Michael, you are correct to point out that generation times between different organisms would be different. The Bible actually requires rapid speciation and diversification after the flood. Consider:

Genesis 15:8–9 — But he said, “O Lord God, how am I to know that I shall possess it?” He said to him, “Bring me a heifer three years old, a female goat three years old, a ram three years old, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.”

Here, we read about a female goat, and a ram. These are the same biblical kind, yet enough diversification had occurred by this time to differentiate them as two distinct animals.
We also read about the turtle dove and the young pigeon. Again, these are the same Biblical kind, yet diverse enough for the author to differential turtle doves from young pigeons.
Both groups of animals you see here can hybridize indicating that they came from the same ancestral kind on both the Ark.

When was Genesis 15 written? We know that Abraham was born around 352 years after the flood. This passage describes an event when he was 75 years old, so this event dates back to around ~427 years after the flood. Rapid speciation had already occurred by this time and as shown in the passage here, would have included diversification of the 'dove-kind' which was on board the Ark. So rapid speciation is actually taught in the Bible!

Another similar passage would be Job 39:5, 19 which speak of the donkey and the horse. Again, from the same kind but it diversified enough to be identified as two distinct animals within the same kind (horse vs donkey)—written approximately 300+ years after the flood. And Genesis 30:32 speak of goats and sheep—again, the same biblical kind, written around 512 years after the flood.

At the same time, viruses undergo a very short generational time. By examining the data from 90 years of H1N1 viruses, we can examine the same number of generations that evolutionists claim existed since the supposed split between humans and chimps. The study shown that the H1N1 had gone extinct multiple times due to genetic entropy! This is problematic for the evolutionary view that humans and chimps evolved from a common ancestor.

The evidence fits the Biblical creation and global flood model much better than the supposed evolutionary one.

Dale S.
Christian greetings!
Yes speciation is not evolution. God gave the ability to the "kinds" of creatures He created to have variety within that kind. When God created Adam & Eve, He gave them the genes to produce the different varieties of human beings. Human beings are of the same flesh (I Corinthians 15:31). That is why a white man can have a blood transfusion from a black man (only if the blood type is the same). Try to use fish or bird blood and that human would die. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who is the Creator was the One who created all the "kinds" of animals and plants for His pleasure (Revelation 4:11). He tells us this in His Word (Holy Bible) and I believe it by faith.
Keep up the work in the Lord!
Sincerely in Christ,
Dale S.
Dale P.
Thank you for a reasoned and educated article. You inspire me and give me hope. God bless you today in all your efforts.
Dale P.
Albie D.
I am so glad that neither logical reasoning nor intelligence is dependent on academic qualifications or grammatical eloquence (with no disrespect towards academics). If evolution is science, i am totally perplexed why no evolutionist ever could show exactly on which Laws of physics and Biology the proposed mechanism of evolution is operating. Culling + corruption of information has never and can never equal increased sophistication . Evolution is a pseudo-scientific figment of imagination, based on absurdity and ignorance, devoid of logic or reality, in a pathetic attempt by some of those created in His image, to try and escape the reality, just judgement and, inexplicably, the Goodness of Christ our Creator when He offers us eternal Life.
It is the most high, most joyous privilege to have the Best, All Good and Strongest Person that made the universe as personal Father, True Friend and Enabler, and also the proven, indestructible and reliable source of history and future , the Bible. May everyone reading this be encouraged to actively search for factual Truth and not just regurgitate what we are fed.
Nothing gives true freedom like Truth.

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