Radioactive ‘dating’ in conflict!
Fossil wood in ‘ancient’ lava flow yields radiocarbon
Photos by Andrew Snelling
Five images of samples from the ventilation shaft. At top, is fossil wood in basalt that includes—from left to right—basalt, wood and siltstone. The next image (below left) is of charred fossil wood; and beside that is intact fossil wood (Note biro gives size perspective). The bottom two images are of basalt with holes from former gas bubbles (left) and visible fossil tree roots in siltstone.
Outcrop of basalt flow beside Crinum Waterhole.
When miners were sinking a ventilation shaft for the new Crinum Coal Mine in Central Queensland in 1993 (see map below) they unearthed a rare find. After digging through the thin surface sands and clays, followed by basalt, 21 metres (almost 69 feet) down they found pieces of wood entombed in the bottom basalt flow.1 Below the basalt were layers of claystone, siltstone, and sandstone with interbedded coal seams.2
Fossil wood in ‘ancient’ basalt
The wood was in three states—ash, charred, and intact.1 Those on-site at the time speculated that there had been two distinct trees, partly standing, still organic in nature, and thus not petrified. The imprint of a leaf was also discovered within the basalt, which was also regarded as remarkable, remembering that the enclosing rock was once molten lava erupted at 1000–1200°C (about 1800–2200°F).
So how could these tree trunks have survived being engulfed by molten lava? At approximately four metres (13 feet) thick, the basalt flow is relatively thin,1,3 and thus cooling would have been rapid (perhaps days, but a few weeks at most4). This is verified by the observed internal structure of the basalt flow.1,5 Since the tree trunks were engulfed at the bottom of the flow, cooling may have been immediate, with any water present in the wood aiding extremely rapid encapsulation and thus preservation.
The local geological context makes the basalt flow approximately ‘30 million years old’,1,3 in keeping with other basalt flows in the region all regarded as of Tertiary age (in the conventional terminology). Since the tree trunks were entombed in the basalt lava, the wood is thus supposedly at least 30 million years old. Also, what looked like the tree roots were found in the siltstone below the basalt,3 suggesting the trees when alive were rooted into the siltstone and thus growing on a land surface that was then covered by basalt lava. This siltstone belongs to the Permian German Creek coal measures, conventionally believed to be around 255 million years old.6
Collection of samples
Small fragments of some of the wood samples were kindly sent to us, and a subsequent mine visit took place in late August 1994.7 The pieces of wood recovered by the miners were examined and photographed, as too was the leaf imprint, but access to the ventilation shaft was not possible, nor were samples of the enclosing basalt available, having long been dumped with all the other rubble and waste rock.
Leaf imprint in basalt. Click for larger image.
However, an exploratory hole had been drilled close to where the shaft was eventually dug. In the relevant drill core, at the bottom of the lowermost basalt flow, pieces of fossil wood still containing organic carbon were present encased in the basalt, right at the boundary of the basalt flow with the siltstone below. This drill core was subsequently sent to us once permission was granted by the mining company.7
After visiting the mine site, nearby outcrops of the same basalt flows were investigated and sampled. This was to make sure we at least had some samples of the basalt, just in case permission to have the drill core wasn’t forthcoming.
Tiny portions of the same piece of fossil wood encased in the basalt in the drill core were sent for radiocarbon (14C) analyses to two reputable laboratories—Geochron Laboratories in Cambridge, Boston (USA), and the Antares Mass Spectrometry laboratory at the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation (ANSTO), Lucas Heights near Sydney (Australia). Neither laboratory was told exactly where the samples came from to ensure that there would be no resultant bias. Both laboratories use the more sensitive accelerator mass spectrometry (AMS) technique for radiocarbon analyses, Geochron being a commercial laboratory and Antares being a major research laboratory. Also, tiny fragments of the initial wood samples provided to us, from the pieces of wood that had been found during sinking of the ventilation shaft, were sent off for radiocarbon analyses—one set of different fragments to each laboratory.
Pieces of the basalt samples from the outcrop and the drill core were also sent to analytical laboratories, for major, minor, and trace element analyses to establish the character of these rocks, but mainly for radioactive ‘dating’ analyses. Potassium-argon (K-Ar) ‘dating’ was performed on the two outcrop samples by the AMDEL laboratory in Adelaide (Australia), while one of the two outcrop samples and two drill core samples, one being in contact with the fossil wood, were ‘dated’ by Geochron Laboratories.
The radiocarbon (14C) results are listed in Table 1.8 It is immediately evident that there was detectable radiocarbon in all wood samples, so that the laboratories’ staff had neither hesitation nor difficulties in calculating 14C ‘ages’. When subsequently questioned regarding the limits of the analytical method for the radiocarbon and any possibility of contamination, staff at both laboratories (Ph.D. scientists) were readily insistent that the results, with one exception,9 were within the detection limits and therefore provided quotable finite ‘ages’!8
Furthermore, they pointed to the almost identical δ13C results (last column in Table 1), consistent with the carbon being organic carbon from wood, and indicating no possibility of contamination. So the results in Table 1 are staunchly defended by the laboratories as valid, indicating an ‘age’ of perhaps 44,000–45,500 years for the wood encased in the basalt retrieved from the drill core.
In stark contrast to the ‘age’ of the wood are the potassium-argon (K-AR) ‘ages’ of the basalt (see Table 2).8 It is readily apparent that there are significant variations in the results, as evident in the calculated ‘ages’ of the outcrop 2 sample provided by each laboratory. The problem of obtaining consistently ‘acceptable’ K-AR ‘ages’ is also highlighted by the observation that both outcrop and both drill core samples probably represent the same basalt flow in each respective location (hence the calculated average ‘ages’ in the last column of Table 2)10.
The staff of both laboratories (again Ph.D. scientists) defended their analytical results,8,11 and did not hesitate to affirm that these basalt samples are, according to their radioactive K-AR ‘dating’, around 45 million years old.
While the quality and accuracy of the analytical work undertaken by all the laboratories involved is unquestionably respected, all the calculated ‘ages’ are mere interpretations based on unproven assumptions about constancy of radioactive decay rates, and on the geochemical behaviour of these elements (and their isotopes) in the unobservable past. To young-earth creationists the geological context of these fossil wood fragments in the basalt lava flow clearly indicates that these represent post-Flood trees overwhelmed by a post-Flood volcanic eruption nearby, and thus both the fossil wood and the basalt are less than 4,500 years old.12
Nevertheless, within the conventional (uniformitarian) framework of interpretation, a clear-cut conflict can be seen between these two radioactive ‘dating’ methods. Normally fossil wood found in such an ‘ancient’ basalt would not be radiocarbon ‘dated’, because the wood would be considered far too old for any radiocarbon to be left in it.13 Yet here these radioactive ‘dating’ methods are again demonstrated to be unreliable and clearly useless at determining the true age of the wood and basalt.14 Therefore, any published results from these ‘dating’ methods should not be seen as casting any doubts whatsoever on the reliability of the biblical chronology so carefully provided for us by the (always present) Creator Himself.
References and notes
- ‘Rare find unearthed at Crinum’, BHP Australia Coal Newsline, p. 1, December 1993–January 1994. Return to text.
- Copies of the relevant geological cross-section and drill-hole data were kindly supplied by the Crinum Mine Project staff. Return to text.
- Letter dated 27 April 1994 from Greg B. Chalmers, the Chief Project Engineer at the time for the Crinum Mine Project. Return to text.
- Snelling, A.A., The formation and cooling of dykes, J. Creation 5(1):81-90, 1991. Return to text.
- An upper section filled with vesicles (spherical holes left by gas bubbles), a coarse-grained middle section, and a hard, dense, fine-grained bottom section—indicative of rapid cooling from bottom up and top down simultaneously. Return to text.
- Falkner, ‘Sedimentological studies in the German Creek coal measures and their relevance to longwall mining’, New Developments in Coal Geology (A Symposium), J.W. Beetson (ed.), Coal Geology Group (Geological Society of Australia), pp. 143–148, 1993. Return to text.
- Greg B. Chalmers, then Chief Project Engineer, and BHP Australia Coal Pty Ltd, operators of the Crinum Mine, are thanked for allowing our visit to the mine and the photographing of their fossil wood and leaf specimens, and for providing pieces of their fossil wood samples and the several metres of drill core that were so crucial to this investigation. Return to text.
- Original copies of all the official laboratory analytical and ‘dating’ reports, and the correspondence with staff of the laboratories, have been kept on file. Return to text.
- The one exception was due to the small quantity of carbon extracted from the sample, but when repeated by the other lab, a finite ‘age’ was obtained. Return to text.
- However, other analytical results provide evidence that the outcrop does probably represent a younger, though closely related, basalt flow to that sampled in the drill core. Return to text.
- They did suggest the possibility of some variable contamination of the samples with atmospheric argon, but definitely not contamination introduced by their laboratory procedures. Return to text.
- It needs to be remembered that during the Flood and immediate post-Flood periods the earth’s stronger, but fluctuating, magnetic field affected the incoming cosmic ray influx, resulting thus in a lower radiocarbon production rate and therefore radiocarbon ‘ages’ much greater than the true ages. Return to text.
- The results of this investigation confirm that it is likely radiocarbon may also be detected in other fossil woods found at even deeper levels in the so-called geological column, even if the fossil wood was from pre-Flood trees buried during the Flood. Further investigations are in progress. Return to text.
- A fuller report with all technical and analytical details, including the results from other radioactive ‘dating’ methods and the attempted identification of the fossil wood, was later published, Conflicting ‘ages’ of Tertiary basalt and contained fossilised wood, Crinum, Central Queensland, Australia, J. Creation 14(2):99–122, August 2000. Return to text.
- δ13CPDB denotes the measured difference of the ratio of 13C/12C (both stable isotopes) in the sample compared to the PDB (Pee Dee Belemnite) standard—a fossil belemnite from the Cretaceous Pee Dee Formation in South Carolina, USA. The units used are parts per thousand, written as ‰ or per mil (compared with parts per hundred, written as % or per cent). Organic carbon from the different varieties of life gives different characteristic δ13CPDB values. Return to text.
The radio-metric date are not unreliable in the sense that the results should be dismissed entirely. Young Earth creationists can draw some very interesting conclusions from the data you present.
Since the nature of the samples require that the wood and basalt are the SAME age, then if we assume non-equilibrium C-14 levels. the >30k y/o dates for the wood become more in line both with the Bible and previous fossil C-14 dates. The K-A ages provide another strong correlation of the odd phenomenon observed by the RATE Project. That there was evidently a burst of much accelerated radioactive decay at some point in the past. This was a very cool find.
Yes, this data provides useful material for young-earth cretionists to explore alternative hypotheses.
Congratulations on a very interesting article.
However, I don't think that it really refutes the uniformitarian view that the lava is millions of years old unless they are contending that the event was also millions of years ago. They could well argue that the lava was under the earth's crust for millions of years and then erupted.
It certainly appears that the event was post flood and the interesting thing is that there were mature trees growing! I wonder how old the trees were? In that area of Queensland there are hundreds of square kilometres of lave flows including the Lava Tubes at Undara.
This brings to light another possibility that there was another creation event prior to God opening the ark.
The dove returned with an olive leaf! We have just witnessed the results of Cyclone Debbie and the aftermath of the mud left behind in just a few days.
So within a few days after the flood had receded a mature olive tree had appeared after the destruction of all living things!
Noah hadn't planted it - so where did it come from?
Also, when the animals were released from Noah's care there had to be something for them to eat and the carnivores had to be restrained from eating their fellow shipmates before they could begin repopulating!
In short, God prepared the new world so that it could once again support abundant life.
Scripture doesn't always give us the whole story, only enough to reveal a God of love.
Just a few points on your comment.
1. The 'date' that the potassium-argon method is assumed to record is from the time that the molten lava solidified and the rock became a 'closed system' such that no argon could escape. Whenever there is a conflict with the date calculated they will always invent a scenario that explains the conflict away. See How dating methods work and Ways they make conflicting results tell the same story.
2. It is unlikely this event was post-Flood in view of the amount of erosion that occurred on the lava flows after they were emplaced. The vegetation would have been floating in vegetaton mats on the waters, and provided the source for the post-Flood vegetation growth. There would be no need for God to do another creative act. This article on the geological history of the Brisbane area sets out a useful scenario, and explains the basaltic eruptions are explained as late Flood. However, the Undara lava tubes you mention are likely to be post-Flood, as is the Newer Volanics in Victoria.
Just removing the last digit from the radio carbon dates would put the ages within the Bible's time frame would it not. Seems simple enough to me and that's what I try to do when reading those kind of figures.
The number of digits you need to remove varies according to the age they quote!
It would useful to know what geologists explanations to these findings are. The article could then show why those explanation do not 'hold water'.
I take it you mean 'long-age geologists who are committed to preserving long ages. Young-earth geologists would have a different explanation. See Radioactive dating methods: Ways they make conflicting results tell the same story.