Arguments we think creationists should NOT use
The primary authority for Creation Ministries International is the infallible
Word of God, the Bible (see
Q&A Bible). All theories of science are fallible, and new data often
overturn previously held theories. Evolutionists continually revise their theories
because of new data, so it should not be surprising or distressing that some creationist
scientific theories need to be revised too.
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Arguments
Creationists Should NOT Use (DVD)
Jonathan Sarfati
In this candid presentation before
an international conference of nearly 600 creationist speakers and writers, Dr Jonathan
Sarfati reveals the out-of-date, faulty, and downright flaky evidences that reputable
creationists must avoid. In his trademark style, Dr Sarfati challenges some of the
most-loved arguments of modern creationists, while encouraging us to focus intensely
on God’s written Word as the absolute guide to evidence interpretations! Bottom
line: hold ‘facts’ loosely and focus intensely on God’s written Word
as the absolute guide to evidence interpretations!
You get succinct explanations and warnings regarding:
- Archaeopteryx—neither fake nor the transitional bird
- Darwin’s deathbed recantation
- New Zealand ‘plesiosaur’
- Solar neutrinos
- Archaeological claims of the late Ron Wyatt
- Moon dust
- NASA’s alleged finding of Joshua’s long day
- Hezekiah’s sun dial
- How NOT to use the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics
- Micro-evolution
- Wingless beetles
- More!
Discover how to avoid or overcome:
- Scientific fallacies
- Outdated arguments
- Overstated universal statements
This information should NOT be treated as Top Secret!
ORDER YOUR COPY TODAY
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The first article on this page sums up what we believe the creationists’ attitude
should be about various ideas and theories. The other articles provide examples
of arguments that we think should no longer be used; some arguments are definitely
fallacious, while others are merely doubtful or unsubstantiated. We provide brief
explanations why, and/or hyperlinks to other articles on this Web site with more
detailed explanations. We don’t claim that this list is exhaustive—it
will be updated with additions and maybe deletions as new evidence is discovered.
Many of these arguments have never been promoted by CMI, and some have
not been promoted by any major creationist organization (so they were not directed
at anyone in particular), but are instead straw men set up by anti-creationists.
It is notable that some skeptics criticise creationists when they retract doubtful
arguments, but these are also the same people who accuse creationists of being unwilling
to change their minds!
Persisting in using discredited arguments simply rebounds—it’s the truth
that sets us free (John
8:32), not error, and Christ is ‘the truth’
(John
14:6)! Since there is so much good evidence for creation, there is no need
to use any of the ‘doubtful’ arguments.
This page also shows why it is important for people to stay up-to-date with sound
creationist literature, since these publications (e.g. Creation
magazine, and the
Journal of Creation—formerly TJ) have already revealed
the fallacious nature of some of these arguments.
We also remind our readers that CMI is primarily pro-Bible,
not anti-establishment for its own sake. in particular, we concentrate on
the biblical teachings of creation by the Triune God,
and that death is the result of sin. Our anti-evolution/millions
of years stance is the corollary of this, not the end in itself. By extension,
oppose the ‘establishment’ only where it conflicts with the Bible. So
we urge Christians to ensure that their stance comes from being pro-Bible, not a
knee-jerk anti-establishmentism.
[Ed. notes:
- For CMI’s point-by-point response to an attempted critique of this page, see
Maintaining Creationist Integrity.
- Creation magazine
published a condensed form of this article,
Moving forward: Arguments we think creationists shouldn't use, which is
available in Spanish]
What is important for creationists to defend, and what should be held more loosely?
Which arguments should definitely not be used?
- ‘Darwin recanted on his deathbed’. Many people
use this story, originally from a Lady Hope. However, it is almost certainly not
true, and there is no corroboration from those who were closest to him, even from
Darwin’s wife Emma, who never liked evolutionary ideas. Also, even if true,
so what? If a prominent creationist recanted Creation, would that disprove it? There
is no value to this argument whatever.
- ‘Moon-Dust
thickness proves a young moon.’ For a long time, creationists claimed
that the dust layer on the moon was too thin if dust had truly been falling on it
for billions of years. They based this claim on early estimates—by evolutionists—of
the influx of moon dust, and worries that the moon landers would sink into this
dust layer. But these early estimates were wrong, and by the time of the Apollo
landings, NASA was not worried about sinking. So the dust layer thickness can’t
be used as proof of a young moon (or of an old one either). See also Moon Dust and the
Age of the Solar System (Technical).
- ‘NASA computers, in calculating the positions of planets,
found a missing day and 40 minutes, proving Joshua’s “long day” and Hezekiah’s sundial movement
of Joshua 10 and 2 Kings 20.’ Not promoted by major creationist organizations,
but an hoax in wide circulation, especially on the Internet.
Essentially the same story, now widely circulated on the Internet, appeared in the
somewhat unreliable 1936 book The Harmony of Science and Scripture by Harry
Rimmer. Evidently an unknown person embellished it with modern organization names
and modern calculating devices.
Also, the whole story is mathematically impossible—it requires a fixed reference
point before Joshua’s long day. In fact we would need to cross-check
between both astronomical and historical records to detect any
missing day. And to detect a missing 40 minutes requires that these reference points
be known to within an accuracy of a few minutes. It is certainly true that the timing
of solar eclipses observable from a certain location can be known precisely. But
the ancient records did not record time that precisely, so the required cross-check
is simply not possible. Anyway, the earliest historically recorded eclipse occurred
in 1217 BC, nearly two centuries after Joshua. So there is
no way the missing day could be detected by any computer. See also Has NASA Discovered a ‘Missing Day’? for
historical and scientific documentation that this alleged discovery is mythological.
Note that discrediting this myth doesn’t mean that the events of Joshua 10
didn’t happen. Features in the account support its reliability, e.g. the moon
was also slowed down. This was not necessary to prolong the day, but this would
be observed from Earth’s reference frame if God had accomplished this miracle
by slowing Earth’s rotation. See Joshua’s
long day—did it really happen?
- ‘Woolly
mammoths were snap frozen during the Flood catastrophe.’ This is contradicted
by the geological setting in which mammoths are found. It’s most likely that
they perished toward the end of the Ice Age, possibly in catastrophic dust storms.
Partially digested stomach contents are not proof of a snap freeze, because the
elephant’s stomach functions as a holding area—a mastodon with preserved
stomach contents was found in mid-western USA, where the ground was not frozen.
See also The extinction of the woolly mammoth: was it a
quick freeze?
- ‘NASA faked the
moon landings.’ This NASA hoax claim is an example of where CMI reminds
readers that we are pro-Bible rather than anti-establishment for the sake of it.
First, it is biblical to trust multiple eye-witnesses (cf.
Deuteronomy 19:15), and one impeccable witness is the late James Irwin,
who was a staunch biblical creationist and walked on the moon. Also, Australia must
have been in on the alleged hoax; the huge radio antenna at Parkes Observatory,
New South Wales, was used to relay the signals from the moon, since it was on the
Australian not the American side of Earth (cf. the Australian film The Dish,
2000). We can also shine powerful lasers to certain spots on the moon and
detect reflected light of the laser frequency, possible only if someone had been
to the moon and laid out retro-reflectors in those spots.
Second: the hoax claims show faulty understanding of science (cf. Mythbusters
episode #104 (0702), 2008):
- CLAIM: Photos should show parallel shadows with only one light source, the sun;
non-parallel shadows prove it was a studio set with multiple lights. Actually, because
of the irregular lunar topography, parallel shadows can look non-parallel
in the perspective of the film.
- CLAIM: Astronaut in the shadow of the spacecraft was easily visible, which would
not have been possible with only one light source. This forgets another source:
moonlight! Reflected light from the lunar surface would make the astronaut
easily visible. Also, Earthlight is much brighter on the moon than moonlight is
on earth, because Earth is much higher in both surface area and albedo.
- CLAIM: Photos had no stars, hence they were in a studio. No, a camera set for
optimal performance in the bright light of the lunar surface would not be sensitive
enough to show stars.
- CLAIM: Footprints would not have been left in sand without moisture to hold the
sand in place. True on earth, where water tends to round out sand grains.
The lunar grains were angular and held the shape.
- CLAIM: The flag fluttered, so there must have been a breeze. No, the astronaut
twisted the flagpole to plant it in the moon soil; this caused fluttering, which
persisted for a while since there was no air resistance.
- CLAIM: Moon walks were done in studio set. But the closest we come to such movements
is in an airplane falling so fast that it simulates lunar gravity, 1/6 that of Earth.
- ‘The Castenedolo and Calaveras human remains in
“old” strata invalidate the geologic column.’ These are not
sound examples—the Castenedolo skeletal material shows evidence of being an
intrusive burial, i.e. a recent burial into older strata, since all the fossils
apart from the human ones had time to be impregnated with salt. The Calaveras skull
was probably a hoax planted into a mine by miners. For the current CMI view on human
fossil stratigraphy, see
Where are all the human fossils?
- ‘Dubois renounced Java man as a “missing link”
and claimed it was just a giant gibbon.’ Evolutionary anthropology textbooks
claimed this, and creationists followed suit. However, this actually misunderstood
Dubois, as Stephen Jay Gould has shown. It’s true that Dubois claimed that
Java man (which he called Pithecanthropus erectus) had the proportions
of a gibbon. But Dubois had an eccentric view of evolution (universally discounted
today) that demanded a precise correlation between brain size and body weight. Dubois’
claim about Java man actually contradicted the reconstructed evidence of
its likely body mass. But it was necessary for Dubois’ idiosyncratic proposal
that the alleged transitional sequence leading to man fit into a mathematical series.
So Dubois’ gibbon claim was designed to reinforce its ‘missing
link‘ status. See Who was ‘Java
man’?
- ‘The Japanese trawler Zuiyo Maru caught
a dead plesiosaur near New Zealand.’ This carcass was almost certainly
a rotting basking shark, since their gills and jaws rot rapidly and fall off, leaving
the typical small ‘neck’ with the head. This has been shown by similar
specimens washed up on beaches. Also, detailed anatomical and biochemical studies
of the Zuiyo-maru carcass show that it could not have been a plesiosaur. See Live plesiosaurs: weighing the evidence and Letting rotting sharks lie: Further evidence that the Zuiyo-maru
carcass was a basking shark, not a plesiosaur. See also
A ‘tail’ of many monsters and Parkie: a new
‘pseudoplesiosaur’ washed up on the Nova Scotia coast.
- ‘The 2nd
Law of Thermodynamics began at the Fall.’ This law says that the entropy
(‘disorder’) of the Universe increases over time, and some have thought
that this was the result of the Curse. However, disorder isn’t always harmful.
An obvious example is digestion, breaking down large complex food molecules into
their simple building blocks. Another is friction, which turns ordered mechanical
energy into disordered heat—otherwise Adam and Eve would have slipped as they
walked with God in Eden! A less obvious example to laymen might be the sun heating
the Earth—to a physical chemist, heat transfer from a hot object to a cold
one is the classic case of the Second Law in action. Also, breathing is based on
another classic Second Law process, gas moving from a high pressure to low pressure.
Finally, all beneficial processes in the world, including the development from embryo
to adult, increase the overall disorder of the universe, showing that the Second
Law is not inherently a curse.
Death and suffering of nephesh animals before sin are contrary
to the Biblical framework above, as are suffering (or ‘groaning
in travail’ (Rom.
8:20–22)). It is more likely that God withdrew some of His sustaining
power (Col.
1:15–17) at the Fall so that the decay effect of the Second Law was
no longer countered.
- ‘If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes today?’
In response to this statement, some evolutionists point out that they don’t
believe that we descended from apes, but that apes and humans share a common ancestor.
However, the evolutionary paleontologist G.G. Simpson had no time for this ‘pussyfooting’,
as he called it. He said, ‘In fact, that earlier ancestor would certainly
be called an ape or monkey in popular speech by anyone who saw it. Since the terms
ape and monkey are defined by popular usage, man’s ancestors were apes or
monkeys (or successively both). It is pusillanimous if not dishonest for an informed
investigator to say otherwise.’
However, the main point against this statement is that many evolutionists believe
that a small group of creatures split off from the main group and became reproductively
isolated from the main large population, and that most change happened in the small
group which can lead to allopatric speciation (a geographically isolated
population forming a new species). So there’s nothing in evolutionary theory
that requires the main group to become extinct.
It’s important to note that allopatric speciation is not the sole property
of evolutionists—creationists believe that most human variation occurred after
small groups became isolated (but not speciated) at Babel, while Adam and Eve probably
had mid-brown skin color. The quoted erroneous statement is analogous to saying
‘If all people groups came from Adam and Eve, then why are mid-brown people
still alive today?’
So what’s the difference between the creationist explanation of people groups
(‘races’) and the evolutionist explanation
of people origins? Answer: the former involves separation of already-existing
information and loss of information through mutations; the latter requires the generation
of tens of millions of ‘letters’ of new information.
- ‘Women have one more rib than men.’ We have
long pointed out the fallacy of this statement, which seems to be more popular with
dishonest skeptics wanting to caricature creation. The removal of a rib would not
affect the genetic instructions passed on to the offspring, any more than
a man who loses a finger will have sons with nine fingers. Any skeptic who tries
to discredit the Bible with this argument must be a closet Lamarckian, i.e. one
who believes Lamarck’s thoroughly discredited idea of inheritance of acquired
characteristics! Note also that Adam wouldn’t have had a permanent defect,
because the rib is the one bone that can regrow if the surrounding membrane (periosteum)
is left intact. See Regenerating ribs: Adam
and that ‘missing’ rib.
- ‘Archaeopteryx
is a fraud.’ Archaeopteryx was genuine (unlike
Archaeoraptor, a ‘Piltdown bird’), as shown by anatomical
studies and close analysis of the fossil slab. It was a true bird, not
a ‘missing link’.
- ‘There are no beneficial mutations.’
This is not true, since some changes do confer an advantage in some situations.
Rather, we should say, ‘We have yet to find a mutation that increases genetic
information, even in those rare instances where the mutation confers an
advantage.’ For examples of information loss being advantageous,
see Beetle Bloopers:
defects can be an advantage sometimes, New
eyes for blind cave fish? and Is antibiotic
resistance really due to increase in information?
- ‘No new species have been produced.’ This
is not true—new species have been observed to form. In fact, rapid
speciation is an important part of the creation model. But this speciation is within
the ‘kind’, and involves no new genetic information. See
Q&A: Speciation.
- ‘Earth’s axis was vertical before the Flood.’
There is no basis for this claim. Seasons are mentioned in
Genesis 1:14 before the Flood, which strongly suggests an axial
tilt from the beginning. Some creationists believe that a change in axial tilt (but
not from the vertical) started Noah’s Flood. But a lot more evidence is needed
and this idea should be regarded as speculative for now. Furthermore, computer modelling
suggests that an upright axis would make temperature differences between the poles
and equator far more extreme than now, while the current tilt of 23.5°
is ideal. The Moon has an important function in stabilizing this tilt, and the Moon’s
large relative size and the fact that its orbital plane is close to the Earth’s
(unlike most moons in our solar system) are design features.
- ‘Paluxy
tracks prove that humans and dinosaurs co-existed.’ Some prominent
creationist promoters of these tracks have long since withdrawn their support. Some
of the allegedly human tracks may be artefacts of erosion of dinosaur tracks obscuring
the claw marks. There is a need for properly documented research on the tracks before
we would use them to argue the coexistence of humans and dinosaurs. However there
is much evidence that dinosaurs and humans co-existed—see
Q&A: Dinosaurs.
- Darwin’s quote about the absurdity of eye evolution
from Origin of Species. Citing his statement at face value is subtly
out of context. Darwin was talking about its seeming absurdity but then said that
after all it was quite easy to imagine that the eye could be built step-by-step
(in his opinion, with which we obviously disagree—see
Darwin v The Eye and An eye for creation).
- ‘Earth’s division in the days of Peleg (Gen.
10:25) refers to catastrophic splitting of the continents.’ Commentators
both before and after Lyell and Darwin (including Calvin, Keil and Delitzsch, and
Leupold) are almost unanimous that this passage refers to linguistic division at
Babel and subsequent territorial division. We should always interpret Scripture
with Scripture, and there’s nothing else in Scripture to indicate that this
referred to continental division. But only eight verses on (note that chapter and
verse divisions were not inspired), the Bible states,
‘Now the whole earth had one language and one speech’ (Gen.
11:1), and as a result of their disobedience, ‘the
LORD confused the language of all the earth’
(Gen.
11:9). This conclusively proves that the ‘Earth’ that was divided
was the same Earth that spoke only one language, i.e. ‘Earth’ refers
in this context to the people of the Earth, not Planet Earth. See further
explanation in ‘In Peleg’s days, the earth was
divided’: What does this mean?.
Another major problem is the scientific consequences of such splitting—another
global flood! This gives us the clue as to when the continents did move apart—during Noah’s Flood—see below on plate tectonics.
For more information, see ‘In Peleg’s days, days
the earth was divided’: What does this mean?
- ‘The Septuagint records the correct Genesis chronology.’
This is not so. The Septuagint chronologies are demonstrably inflated, and contain
the (obvious) error that Methuselah lived 17 years after the Flood. The Masoretic
Text (on which almost all English translations are based) preserves the correct
chronology. See Williams, P., Some remarks
preliminary to a Biblical chronology, CEN Technical Journal12(1):98–106,
1998.
- ‘There are gaps in the genealogies of Genesis
5 and 11 so the Earth may be 10,000 years old or even more.’ This is not
so. The language is clear that they are strict chronologies, especially because
they give the age of the father at the birth of the next name in line. So the Earth
is only about 6,000 years old. See Biblical chronogenealogies
for exegetical proof.
- ‘Jesus cannot have inherited genetic material from Mary,
otherwise He would have inherited original sin.’ This is not stated in
Scripture and even contradicts important points. The language of the NT
indicates physical descent, which must be true for Jesus to have fulfilled the prophecies
that He would be a descendant of
Abraham,
Jacob,
Judah and
David. Also, the Protevangelium of
Gen. 3:15, regarded as Messianic by both early Christians
and the Jewish Targums, refers to ‘the seed of the woman’.
This is supported by
Gal. 4:4, ‘God sent forth His Son, coming (genomenon)
from a woman.’ Most importantly, for Jesus to have died for
our sins, Jesus, the ‘last Adam’ (1
Cor. 15:45), had to share in our humanity (Heb.
2:14), so must have been our relative via common descent from
the first Adam as
Luke 3:38 says. In fact, seven centuries before His Incarnation, the Prophet
Isaiah spoke of Him as literally the ‘Kinsman-Redeemer’, i.e. one who
is related by blood to those he redeems (Isaiah
59:20, uses the same Hebrew word goel as used to describe Boaz
in relation to Ruth). To answer the concern about original sin, the Holy Spirit
overshadowed Mary (Luke
1:35), preventing any sin nature being transmitted. See also The Virginal Conception of Christ for a defence
of this foundational doctrine and further discussion of these Biblical passages.
- ‘Light was created in transit.’ Some older
creationist works, as a solution to the distant starlight problem, proposed that
God may have created the light in transit. But CMI long ago pointed out the problems
with this idea.
It would entail that we would be seeing light from heavenly bodies that don’t really
exist; and even light that seems to indicate precise sequences of events predictable
by the laws of physics, but which never actually happened. This, in effect, suggests
that God is a deceiver.
For example, when a large star explodes as a supernova, we see a neutrino burst
before we see the electromagnetic radiation. This is because most neutrinos pass
through solid matter as if it were not there, while light is slowed down. This sequence
of events carries information recording an apparently real event. So astronomers
are perfectly justified in interpreting this ‘message’ as a real supernova
that exploded according to the laws of physics, with observations as predicted by
those same laws.
This is very different from creating Adam as fully grown, looking like a 20-year-old
(although incredibly youthful looking), say, although he was really only a few minutes
old. Here, there is no deception, because God has told us that He created
Adam from the dust, not by growing from an infant. But God has also told us that
the stars are real, and that they are signs (Genesis 1:14), not just apparitions
from light waves.
In answering the distant starlight question, first point out that
big bangers have their own problem with light travel time; second, point
to relativistic time dilation, as first proposed by Dr Russell
Humphreys, and extended by Dr John Hartnett
with Carmelian Cosmological Relativity. See the
Creation Answers Book, Chapter 5: How can we see stars in a young universe?,
as well as Dr Hartnett’s new book
Starlight, Time and the New Physics.
- ‘The phrase “science
falsely so called” in
1 Timothy 6:20 (KJV) refers to evolution.’ To develop a Scriptural
model properly, we must understand what the author intended to communicate
to his intended audience, which in turn is determined by the grammar and historical
context. We must not try to read into Scripture that which appears to support a
particular viewpoint. The original Greek word translated ‘science’ is
gnosis, and in this context refers to the élite esoteric
‘knowledge’ that was the key to the mystery religions, which later developed
into the heresy of Gnosticism.
This was not an error by the KJV translators, but an illustration of how
many words have changed their meanings over time. The word ‘science’
originally meant ‘knowledge’, from the Latin scientia, from
scio meaning ‘know’. This original meaning is just
not the way it is used today, so modern translations correctly
render the word as ‘knowledge’ in this passage.
Of course we believe that evolution is anti-knowledge because it clouds
the minds of many to the abundant evidence of God’s action in Creation and
the true knowledge available in His Word, the Bible. But as this page points out,
it is wrong to use fallacious arguments to support a true viewpoint. On a related
matter, it is linguistically fallacious to claim that even now, ‘science really
means knowledge’, because meaning is determined by usage, not derivation
(etymology).
- ‘Geocentrism (in the classical sense of taking
the Earth as an absolute reference frame) is taught by Scripture and Heliocentrism
is anti-Scriptural.’ We reject this dogmatic geocentrism, and believes
that the Biblical passages about sunset etc. should be understood as taking the
Earth as a reference frame, but that this is one of many physically valid reference
frames; the centre of mass of the solar system is also a valid reference frame.
See also Q&A: Geocentrism, Faulkner,
D., Geocentrism and Creation , TJ 15(2):110–121;
2001.
- ‘Ron Wyatt
has found Noah’s Ark’ This claimed Ark shape is a natural geological
formation caused by a mud flow.
- ‘Ron Wyatt
has found much archaeological proof of the Bible’ There is not the
slightest substantiation for Wyatt’s claims, just excuses to explain away
why the evidence is missing.
- Many of Carl Baugh’s creation ‘evidences’.
Sorry to say, we think that he’s well meaning but that he unfortunately uses
a lot of material that is not sound scientifically. So we advise against relying
on any ‘evidence’ he provides, unless supported by creationist organisations
with reputations for Biblical and scientific rigour. Unfortunately, there are talented
creationist speakers with reasonably orthodox understandings of Genesis who continue
to promote some of the Wyatt and Baugh ‘evidences’ despite being approached
on the matter.
- ‘Missing solar neutrinos prove that the sun
shines by gravitational collapse, and is proof of a young sun.’ This is
about a formerly vexing problem of detecting only one third of the predicted numbers
of neutrinos from the sun. Also, accepted theories of particle physics said that
the neutrino had zero rest mass, which would prohibit oscillations from one ‘flavour’
to another. Therefore, consistent with the data then available, some creationists
proposed that the sun was powered one-third by fusion and two-thirds by gravitational
collapse. This would have limited the age to far less than 4.5 billion years. [See
subsequent article ‘Missing’ neutrinos found! No
longer an ‘age’ indicator Ed.]
However, a new experiment was able to detect the ‘missing’ flavours,
which seems to provide conclusive evidence for oscillation. This means that neutrinos
must have a very tiny rest mass after all—experimental data must take precedence
over theory. Therefore creationists should no longer invoke the missing
neutrino problem to deny that fusion is the primary source of energy for the sun.
So it cannot be used as a young-age indicator—nor an old-age indicator for
that matter. See Newton, R., Missing neutrinos found! No longer an ‘age’
indicator, TJ16(3):123–125, 2002.
- ‘Einstein held unswervingly, against enormous peer pressure, to belief
in a Creator.’ However, in the normal meaning of these terms, Einstein
believed no such thing. See also Physicists’ God-talk.
What arguments are doubtful, hence inadvisable to use?
- Canopy theory. This is not a direct teaching of Scripture,
so there is no place for dogmatism. Also, no suitable model has been developed that
holds sufficient water; but some creationists suggest a partial canopy may have
been present. For CMI’s current opinion, see Noah’s Flood—Where did the water come from?.
- ‘There was no rain before the Flood.’ This
is not a direct teaching of Scripture, so again there should be no dogmatism.
Genesis 2:5–6 at face value teaches only that there was no rain at
the time Adam was created. But it doesn’t rule out rain at any later time
before the Flood, as great pre-uniformitarian commentators such as John Calvin pointed out. A related fallacy is that
the rainbow covenant of
Genesis 9:12–17 proves that there were no rainbows before the Flood.
As Calvin pointed out, God frequently invested existing things with new meanings,
e.g. the bread and wine at the Lord’s Supper.
- ‘Natural selection as tautology.’ Natural
selection is in one sense a tautology (i.e., Who are the fittest? Those who survive/leave
the most offspring. Who survive/leave the most offspring? The fittest.). But a lot
of this is semantic word-play, and depends on how the matter is defined, and for
what purpose the definition is raised. There are many areas of life in which circularity
and truth go hand in hand (e.g. What is electric charge? That quality of matter
on which an electric field acts. What is an electric field? A region in space that
exerts a force on electric charge. But no one would claim that the theory of electricity
is thereby invalid and can’t explain how motors work.)—it is only
that circularity cannot be used as independent proof of something. To harp on the
issue of tautology can become misleading, if the impression is given that something
tautological therefore doesn’t happen. Of course the environment can ‘select’,
just as human breeders select. Of course demonstrating this doesn’t mean that
fish could turn into philosophers by this means—the real issue is the nature
of the variation, the information problem.
Arguments about tautology distract attention from the real weakness of neo-Darwinism—the source of the new information required. Given an appropriate source
of variation (for example, an abundance of created genetic information with the
capacity for Mendelian recombination), replicating populations of organisms would
be expected to be capable of some adaptation to a given environment, and this has
been demonstrated amply in practice.
Natural selection is also a useful explanatory tool in creationist modelling of
post-Flood radiation with speciation [see Q&A: Natural Selection].
- ‘Evolution is just a theory.’ What
people usually mean when they say this is ‘Evolution is not proven
fact, so it should not be promoted dogmatically.’ Therefore people should
say that. The problem with using the word ‘theory’ in this
case is that scientists usually use it to mean a well-substantiated explanation
of data. This includes well-known ones such as Einstein’s Theory of Relativity
and Newton’s Theory of Gravity, and lesser-known ones such as the Debye–Hückel
Theory of electrolyte solutions and the Deryagin–Landau/Verwey–Overbeek
(DLVO) theory of the stability of lyophobic sols, etc. It would be better to say
that particles-to-people evolution is an unsubstantiated hypothesis or
conjecture.
All the same, the critic doth protest too much. Webster’s Dictionary
(1996) provides the #2 meaning as ‘a proposed explanation whose status is
still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded
as reporting matters of actual fact,’ and this usage is hardly unknown in
the scientific literature. The dictionary further provides ‘6. contemplation
or speculation. 7. guess or conjecture.’ So the critic is simply wrong to
say that it’s a mistake to use theory to mean ‘speculation’,
‘conjecture’ or ‘guess’; and that scientists never
use theory this way in the literature. So the attack is really cheap point-scoring,
but there is still no reason to give critics this diversion. See also Is ‘Evolution’
a ‘Theory’ or ‘Fact’ or Is this just a trivial game of semantics?
(off site).
- ‘There is amazing modern scientific insight
in the Bible.’ We should interpret the Bible as the author originally
intended, and as the intended readership would have understood it. Therefore we
should be cautious in reading modern science into passages where the readers would
not have seen it. This applies especially to poetic books like Job and Psalms. For
example, Job’s readers would not have understood Job 38:31 to be teaching
anything about gravitational potential energy of Orion and Pleiades. Rather, the
original readers would have seen it as a poetic illustration of God’s might,
i.e. that God, unlike Job, could create the Pleiades in a tightly-knit cluster which
is what it looks like; while God created Orion as a well spread out constellation,
again something well beyond Job’s ability. Similarly, Job 38:14 is not
advanced scientific insight into the Earth’s rotation, because the earth is
not being compared to the turning seal but to the clay turning
from one shape into another under the seal.
- ‘Laminin: an amazing look at how Jesus is holding
each of us together .’ That one protein out of 100,000 is shaped like
a cross in formalized diagrams (probably more like a sword with the side arms not
at right angles) is not that surprising, just ‘by chance’. In any case,
Jesus is sustaining our creation from God the Father’s right hand;
He is no longer on the cross, so the theology is dubious too. Here is more information on laminin.
- ‘The speed of light has decreased over time’
(c decay). Although most of the evolutionary counter-arguments have been proven
to be fallacious, there are still a number of problems, many of which were raised
by creationists, which we believe have not been satisfactorily answered. CMI currently
believes that both Dr Russell Humphreys’ and Dr John Hartnett’s cosmologies (both involving relativistic time dilation) provide viable solutions for the distant starlight problem. It’s a healthy situation to have multiple working hypotheses at the moment because there are so many unknowns in astronomy and cosmology. However,
neither we, Dr Humphreys nor Dr Hartnett claim that either of these models are infallible. See How can we see distant stars in a young Universe? from the
The Creation Answers Book.
- ‘There are no transitional forms.’
Since there are candidates, even though they are highly dubious, it’s
better to avoid possible comebacks by saying instead: ‘While Darwin predicted
that the fossil record would show numerous transitional fossils, even 140 years
later, all we have are a handful of disputable examples.’ See also
Q&A: Fossils.
- ‘Gold chains have been found in coal.’
Several artefacts, including gold objects, have been documented as having been found
within coal, but in each case the coal is no longer associated with the artefact.
The evidence is therefore strictly anecdotal (e.g. ‘This object was left behind
in the fireplace after a lump of coal was burned’). This does not have the
same evidential value as having a specimen with the coal and the artefact still
associated.
- ‘Plate tectonics is fallacious.’ CMI
believes that Dr John Baumgardner’s work on Catastrophic Plate Tectonics provides
a good explanation of continental shifts and the Flood. See
Q&A: Plate Tectonics. However, we recognise that some reputable creationist
scientists disagree with plate tectonics.
- ‘Creationists believe in microevolution but not
macroevolution.’ These terms, which focus on ‘small’ v.
‘large’ changes, distract from the key issue of information.
That is, particles-to-people evolution requires changes that increase genetic
information (e.g., specifications for manufacturing nerves, muscle, bone, etc.),
but all we observe is sorting and, overwhelmingly, loss of information.
We are hardpressed to find examples of even ‘micro’ increases in information,
although such changes should be frequent if evolution were true. Conversely, we
do observe quite ‘macro’ changes that involve no new information,
e.g. when a control gene is switched on or off. Interestingly, even high profile
evolutionists (e.g. Mayr, Ayala) disagree with the idea that the observed small
changes in living things are sufficient to account for the grand scheme of microbes-to-mankind
evolution.
- ‘The Gospel is in the stars.’ This
is an interesting idea, but quite speculative, and many Biblical creationists doubt
that it is taught in Scripture, so we do not recommend using it.
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