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What distinguishes origins and operational science?

Origins vs operational science

We often speak of a distinction between origins and operational science. What distinguishes them? Does God see it any differently from us? CMI’s discusses these questions in today’s feedback:

J.C. from the United States writes:

Question: From the point of view of our biblical Creator and rightful Judge, what is the essential distinction between operational science (dealing with experiment and observation in the present—Science that puts a man on the moon) and origins science (purporting to explain origins and all things "prehistoric", notably the evolution of all things?)

CMI’s Lita Cosner responds:

Dear Jeffrey,

As we explain in several of the items in our Science Q&A, the distinction between origins and operational science is that the latter deals with things that are repeatable and observable. If I tell you that water boils at 100 degrees Celsius, well, you can test that for yourself as many times as you like. All of operational science is like this in principle, even if it gets a lot more complex than that.

Origins science takes what we can find out through operational science and tries to apply that to the past to explain what we see in the present. Criminal forensic science (popularized unrealistically by many popular TV series) for instance, tries to use the evidence to reconstruct a crime to figure out what happened, and who committed the crime. To a much larger degree, origins science tries to take what we know about biology, chemistry, and geology today, and extrapolate back to try to find out things about the earth’s past. (see CSI and CMI and CSI and evolution).

Origins science is trying to answer historical questions: how did we get here, what happened in the past to give us what we have today? And origins science is not completely invalid; our own creationist geologists and cosmologists, for example, engage in a sort of origins science, for instance when Michael Oard hypothesizes that certain conditions during the Flood led to the dinosaur eggs, tracks, and bonebeds that we see today (see The extinction of the dinosaurs and Dinosaur Challenges and Mysteries). The difference between evolutionary origins science and creationist origins science is that creationists realize the historical nature of the questions, and therefore turn to a historical text—i.e. Scripture—to inform them about what sort of big historical events may have caused what we see today (see Biblical history and the role of science). There is still debate among creationist scientists, for instance, about things like plate tectonics or about what stage of the Flood certain strata represent, but for us, the Bible gives us a historical ‘scaffold’ on which to hang our ideas (see Flood models and biblical realism).

It would be common for evolutionists to say that this dependence on the Bible to give us our historical framework for doing operational science biases us in a way that’s unacceptable for true scientists. But the evolutionary scientists have their own ‘scaffolding’ on which they hang their ideas. For instance, there are many different ideas about the relationships between various groups of animals and how they are related to each other, but all of them assume millions of years of evolution. Not even findings like DNA in a dinosaur leg bone, or the numerous living fossils , or the evidence that the genetic codes of multi-celled organisms are accumulating errors at an alarming rate which dooms them all (including us, except Jesus has promised to return first) to extinction—none of these findings make them question their ‘scaffold’; they can even absorb these into their ‘scaffold’.

So in other words, operational science is the stuff that requires lab coats and goggles; when you run an experiment and collect data. Origins science is when you try to apply those results to explain what happened in the past to explain what we see in the world today. And surprisingly to some, origins science is not limited to godless evolutionists; it’s something that creationists can do, informed by the historical record of Scripture, to the glory of our God and Creator.

Does God recognize this distinction between operations and origins science? In one sense, all truth is God’s truth, so there’s no distinction at the level of correspondence with reality between historical truth and scientific truth. Nevertheless, even God recognizes the difference between natural regularity (which operations science investigates) and history (which origins science investigates). God testifies about certain unrepeatable events in the past (e.g. Exodus 20:2, 11). Neither can we know God apart from historical revelation—His acts in history (including his authorship of the Bible) accurately reflect His eternal and unchangeable nature sufficiently for us to know Him. Moreover, God can’t judge us without appealing to history—all our relevant acts will be past events from the perspective of Judgment Day. But neither can we act as we do apart from God sustaining the universe in a way amenable to operations science investigation (e.g. Genesis 8:22, Colossians 1:17). Both science and history are investigations in time—they are temporal activities that operate with respect to this creation. God genuinely interacts with us, and grounds us, in time (both immediately in miracles and witness, and mediately in ordinary providence), though He in himself is not subject to time. Therefore, He comprehends and validates the conceptual distinction between history and science essentially as we’ve made it on the website even if He is not definable by them in himself.

Sincerely,

Lita Cosner

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Karel F., United States, 22 September 2013

I vigorously object to your use of the expression "Origin Science." SCIENCE by definition is a body of knowledge that has been established by means of the SCIENTIFIC METHOD.

Terms like "Origin Science" and "Social Science" and "Medical Science" are NOT really SCIENCE because they accept Hypotheses by means of CONSENSUS and/or STATISTICAL LEVELS OF CONFIDENCE.

CMI has reached a CONSENSUS on interpreting the Bible. Likewise, Secular Psychologist have reach a CONSENSUS that HOMOSEXUALITY is NORMAL, and most Biologists have reach a CONSENSUS that Darwinian Evolution is SCIENCE. However, a CONSENSUS is NOT Science ... !!!!!!!!!!

I love the work and spirit of CMI, but we will only defeat the LIE of Darwinian Evolution when we return to the true and simple definition of SCIENCE.

Lita Cosner responds

Origins science is not a term that creationists invented. Indeed, if you search on Google for it, the top results are evolutionary sites. We agree that there is a key difference between origins science and operational science; in fact, they are quite different, and this is an important point in our relevance talks, and it is brought out in several of our articles.

David S., United States, 22 September 2013

Truth seeking scientists need to be careful that in their investigations they operate in a framework of natural processes (God made an orderly universe) but never exclude the possibility of the miraculous. God is sovereign over his laws. After all, evolutionists believe in the miracle of spontaneous generation. Bible believing scientists must never operate on the assumption that only natural processes are possible. That said, God is wise enough to have made creation in such a way that much of his will happens "naturally."

kobus V., South Africa, 22 September 2013

Somhow the question also seems to suggest that God would make a distinction between operational science and origins science and might the regard the one over the other.

Ultimately I think both point to His glory. Operational science in respect of "thinking God's thoughts after Him", "declaring the glory of God" and "having no excuse of not recognizing Him" and origins sciences "for believing in His Word for the message of salvation contained therein".

It is my estimation that God would want us to know the difference between the two sciences, but that both ultimately points to Him.

We were created for glorifying Him and our attitude towards science should support our believe and faith in Him, and not be something separate from our ralations with Him.

Thank you CMI for all the wonderfull material that supports a Biblical attitude towards all sciences.

Francis R., Zimbabwe, 23 September 2013

Great response and explanation Lita.

Your statement "The difference between evolutionary origins science and creationist origins science is that creationists realize the historical nature of the questions, and therefore turn to a historical text—i.e. Scripture—to inform them about what sort of big historical events may have caused what we see today ..." is instructive.

While we know that this historical text was written by men we accept that they were writing under inspiration of the Holy Spirit. I cannot help but wonder if it was not for this latter part, evolutionists would use this historical text to explain their origins science, since they rely almost exclusively on other men's writings to prop up their theories and assumptions.

What a shame and a pity that they choose to close their minds to instruction from the ultimate teacher and only dependable witness to the history of the world.

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