Flood models and biblical realism
by Jonathan Sarfati
Biblical creationists by definition believe in a globe-covering flood. But how this
occurred has been a matter of intense debate within the creationist geologist community.
Some general observations can be made from a theological, philosophic and scientific
perspective.
Hold the Bible strongly; hold models loosely
Figure 1. Calculated vertical temperature profile for a vapour
canopy model of the earth’s atmosphere compared with the temperature profile
today (after Rush and Vardiman, ref. 61). Increased water in the canopy increases
the surface temperature of the earth limiting the amount of precipitable water that
can be feasibly stored.
The Bible, as God’s written word, should be non-negotiable. Its teachings
are propositional truth, and must be the foundation for all our teachings, including
about the Flood. This applies not only to explicit statements, but to anything logically
deducible from these statements.1
In fact, Jesus Himself endorsed the Flood as a real event, the Ark as a real ship,
and Noah as a real person (Luke 17:26–27), so how can any of His professing followers
deny it?
But where the Bible is genuinely silent, we are free to use science to
help build models to help elucidate the clear teachings of Scripture. But these
models are just man-made—they must never be given the same authority as Scripture.
In any case, science is always changing, so being married to a model today will
probably result in being widowed tomorrow. Worse, if the Bible is too tied up with
a model later discarded, many will think that the Bible itself was refuted (cf.
the church’s adoption of Aristotelian cosmology v Galileo2,3).
Model-building should be an example of the ministerial use of science.
Model-building should be an example of the ministerial use of science.
In contrast, the magisterial use of science, practised by all compromisers
on Genesis, overrules the clear teaching of the Bible to come up with a meaning
inconsistent with sound hermeneutics. Instead of the Reformation principle of Sola
Scriptura (Scripture alone), this is Scriptura sub scientia (Scripture
below science).4 With these
principles, some popular ideas can be examined.
Pre-Flood paradise?
Many creationist works from a few decades ago portrayed the antediluvian world as
a paradise, which was horribly spoiled at the Flood. But this is not taught in Scripture.
Furthermore, it obscures the teaching that the big spoiling of paradise occurred
at the Fall.5 This
was the time that death, childbirth pain, and thorns and thistles were introduced,
when Adam and Eve were tossed out of the Edenic paradise, and when the whole creation
started groaning in pain.6
The only genuinely biblical evidence adduced for a pre-Flood paradise is that people
before the Flood lived for over 900 years, while lifespans dropped exponentially
after that. Yet Noah’s lifespan wasn’t shortened despite spending the
last third of his life in the alleged ruined environment. Rather, in the 1990s,
it was proposed that the decline in lifespans had genetic causes.7 Recent advanced computer programs
vindicate this proposal, showing that an exponential decline of lifespans fits well
with accumulating mutations after the catastrophic population bottleneck at the
Flood.8-11
Figure 2. In the catastrophic plate tectonics model, runaway subduction
into the earth’s mantle of the oceanic plates drives the motion of the rigid
lithosphere at metres per second.
The only remaining support for an environmental cause of the decreasing lifespan
is Shem, born before the Flood bottleneck, but living only ⅔ as long as most
of his ancestors. But here there is also a plausible genetic explanation: he was
born when his father was 502,12
i.e. over half-way through his lifespan. His ancestors were much younger when they
begot their named sons.
It has long been known that children born to aged mothers have a higher risk of
developing non-hereditary genetic disorders such as Down’s Syndrome, and it
is plausible that Mrs Noah was about the same age as Noah. But even if she were
much younger, more recent research points to aged fathers as a major source
of genetic disorders. This should not be surprising since men keep producing sperm
throughout their lives, and older men have more mutations.13
So it is not surprising that Shem, while very fit by today’s standards, would
have been considerably less fit than his parents, and carried extra heritable mutations.
No rain before Flood?
Many older creationist models asserted that there was no rain or rainbow before
the Flood, based on Genesis 2:5, “for the Lord God had not caused it to
rain on the land”, and the Noahic Covenant in Genesis 9:13. This is supposed to result in a warmer and
more even climate in the antediluvian world.
Yet the first passage is describing the situation before Man was created; it is
silent on whether there was subsequent rain in the 1656 years before the Flood (Genesis 5). And there are plenty of examples in Scripture
where God took pre-existing objects or actions and bestowed a new covenantal meaning
on them. For example, bread and wine obviously pre-dated the Lord’s Supper.
Furthermore, the Bible gives no indication that the ‘laws of nature’
(really God’s regular ways of upholding His creation14) were any different before the Flood from what
they are now. Yet they would have to be if there were no evaporation, precipitation
and differential refraction before the Flood.
Higher atmospheric or oxygen partial pressure
One idea for the pre-Flood world, derived partly from the fallacious pre-Flood paradise
assumption, is that oxygen concentration15
or atmospheric pressure was higher than today. This would supposedly have beneficial
effects duplicated in today’s hyperbaric chambers. These increase the oxygen
partial pressure16 as
per Dalton’s Law.17
Yet would they be as beneficial as claimed, given the known health benefits of anti-oxidants?
To be fair, evolutionists have also proposed higher oxygen concentration or higher
atmospheric pressure in the past, for some of the reasons below.18
This is supported by some scientific evidence, yet this does not hold up:19
Higher oxygen levels in amber air bubbles: yet they are not a closed system—gases
diffuse in and out. Furthermore, contraction under solidification would shrink bubbles,
thus raising pressure according to the law named after the creationist ‘father
of modern chemistry’, Sir Robert Boyle (1627–1691), that gas pressure
is inversely proportional to volume. Also, even the formation of bubbles in itself
must increase pressure, to counteract the resistance of surface tension to producing
the new surface area of the inside of the bubble. This excess Laplace pressure
is given by the equation:
ΔP = 2γ∕r
where ΔP is excess pressure, or difference between inside and outside; γ
= surface tension; r is bubble radius. This extra pressure is considerable in tiny
bubbles, so the partial pressures would also be increased, according to Dalton’s
Law.
Pterosaurs need high pressure to generate enough lift to fly: but previous
models of pterosaur flight overlooked the function of the tiny pteroid bone, that
would have supported a controllable flap. This would greatly increase lift in both
takeoff and landing.20,21
Gigantic insects could not have gained enough oxygen under normal pressure.
The fossil record shows huge insects such as Meganeura, a dragonfly
with a wingspan of 71 cm. For a long time, scientists thought that insects didn’t
breathe, and oxygen diffused passively through holes (spiracles) through
tiny tubes in the abdomen (tracheae). Since this could work only over very
short distances, how could such a creature survive without extra oxygen?22 Yet recent synchrotron X-ray microscopy shows
that insects really do ‘breathe’ by squeezing the tracheae, such that
half the gas is exchanged every second.23,24
This doesn’t disprove a higher oxygen concentration and air pressure, but
it shows that they were not needed scientifically. They are definitely
not needed on biblical grounds.
Meteorite impact
In the Bible, the first cause for the Flood was “all the fountains of the
great deep burst forth” and the second was “the windows of the heavens
were opened” (Genesis 7:11). Keil and Delitzsch comment:
“The same day were all the fountains of the great deep (תהום
te hôm the unfathomable ocean) broken up, and the sluices
(windows, lattices) of heaven opened, and there was (happened, came) pouring rain
(גשם geshem) in distinction from מטר
(mātār) upon the earth 40 days and 40 nights.’ Thus the
flood was produced by the bursting forth of fountains hidden within the earth, which
drove seas and rivers above their banks, and by rain which continued incessantly
for 40 days and 40 nights.”25
Thus the Flood began with fountains in the sea and other deep parts of the earth,
and only secondarily from the rain. However, some Flood models involve a meteorite
initiating the Flood. But this could never be derived from the biblical
text, and is instead driven by ‘science’. But could it be acceptable
anyway?
Certainly, there is strong evidence of large numbers of impacts on the earth and
other solar system bodies. Further, the evidence from lunar craters—their
location mainly in one quadrant and the ‘ghost’ craters26,27
—suggests that the main source of bombardment was a narrow meteoroid swarm
that passed by before the moon had moved very far in a single orbit.28 A likely time for this swarm was in the Flood
year. Indeed, multiple impacts would provide sufficient energy to maintain
the Flood, including causing much water (liquid and vapour) to shoot into the sky
and return as rain. The Bible is genuinely silent on this, so such a model is biblically
acceptable; whether it can solve all the geological problems is an ongoing question.29
But a meteorite as an initiator of the Flood seems unacceptable. This contradicts
the clear teaching that the Flood began deep within the ocean and underground, not
the sky. Furthermore, this is not an argument from silence, but an argument from
conspicuous absence. If a meteorite really were the primary cause, then
why does Genesis not mention such a dramatic event? Elsewhere in Scripture, we have
the description of “stars falling from heaven”,30 and in both Hebrew and Greek, any bright heavenly
object was called a ‘star’, including a ‘shooting star’.
So one would expect Genesis 7:11 to read “a star fell from heaven, and
all the fountains of the great deep burst forth … ”, or even “God
cast a star down from heaven … ”.
In formal logical terms, an argument from conspicuous absence is a valid argument
called denying the consequent (or modus tollens): if something
as dramatic as a meteorite caused the Flood, then the Bible would have mentioned
it. The Bible doesn’t mention it, therefore a meteorite didn’t cause
the Flood. Conversely, an argument from silence is a logical fallacy called denying
the antecedent: if the Bible had mentioned that Noah used nails to build
the Ark, then Noah used nails; the Bible doesn’t mention nails, therefore
Noah didn’t use them.31
One defence is that Noah didn’t see the meteorite, but only the resulting
tsunamis, so the Bible recorded only the latter. But by the same token, would Noah
have seen the happenings in the deep central ocean either? Even more serious, this
is identical in principle to a major argument of local flood compromisers:
the world was flooded as far as Noah could see, but it was still only regional.
In any case, the Genesis Flood account was clearly a God’s-eye view, hence
the revelation of the global character of the Flood by its repeated use
of “all” (Hebrew כל kol),
including the ‘double kol’ in Genesis 7:19.32
Canopy theory
The canopy theory, as a model for the beginning of the Flood, aligns strongly with
this ‘antediluvian paradise’ idea. This asserts that the ‘waters
above’ referred to a canopy of water vapour, which condensed and collapsed
to provide the rain for the Flood (figure 1). A few decades ago, this was very popular—for
good reason, since it seemed to explain many things about rain, rainbows and longevity.
Now it is rejected by most informed creationists.
However, the real problem was that some creationists gave the impression that it
was a direct teaching of Scripture; CMI cautioned against such dogmatism back in
1989 when the model was still very popular among many creationist writers.33 After all, for most of
church history, no one had seen a canopy in the actual text of Scripture, yet God
specifically wrote Scripture to teach, i.e. to be understandable (2 Timothy 3:15–17). Furthermore, it seems to contradict
Scripture, since Psalm 148:4 says: “Praise him, you highest heavens,
and you waters above the heavens!” Clearly these waters could not have been
a canopy that collapsed during the Flood, since they were still present during the
time of the Psalmist over a thousand years later.
Many of the arguments for the canopy were faulty on scientific grounds. For example,
one argument is that the canopy would protect us from damaging radiation, and explain
the extremely long lifespans. But water vapour is not a great shield for UV—you
can be sunburned on a cloudy day and while swimming. When it comes to cosmic radiation,
there is no evidence that this is involved in longevity, and as stated above, the
cause of decreasing lifespans was genetic rather than environmental.
What water absorbs very well is infrared, as any vibrational spectroscopist
knows.34 It is actually
a far more important ‘greenhouse gas’ than CO2, accounting
for about 66% of the atmospheric ‘greenhouse effect’ on Earth, or maybe
even as much as 95%.35
This leads to the major scientific problem with the canopy theory—a water
vapour canopy thick enough to provide more than about a metre’s worth of floodwater
would cook the earth.36
Catastrophic plate tectonics
This is probably the most popular model among informed creationists today.37 This accepts much of the
evidence adduced to support uniformitarian plate tectonics, but solves a number
of problems. The CPT model begins with a pre-Flood super-continent (possibly indicated
by Genesis 1:9). While uniformitarian models assume that the
ocean plates have always had the temperature profile they display today, the CPT
model starts with some additional cold rock in regions just offshore surrounding
the supercontinent. Since this rock was colder, it was denser than the mantle below.
At the start of the Flood year, this began to sink (figure 2).
One problem with this created instability is that it would be a ticking time bomb.
This is not necessarily an insuperable difficulty, though, since it is akin to the
issue of (and answer to) “why are some features designed to hurt other things,
if God created a world without death and suffering?” While some things can
be explained as an adaptation from plant-eating structures, such as some teeth,
other things cannot. A good example is jellyfish’s stinging cells with a catapult
mechanism. Here, it is not adequate to claim that they once stung plants. Rather,
since God foreknew the Fall, He programmed latent genetic information that would
be switched on at the Fall.38
Figure 3. In the hydroplate model rupture of the crust allows steam
and sediment to be ejected as a fountain into the atmosphere, returning to the earth
as rain (from Brown, ref. 62).
But how can it sink more rapidly than ocean plate subducts today? The answer lies
in laboratory experiments that show that the silicate minerals that make up the
mantle can weaken dramatically, by factors of a billion or more, at mantle
temperatures and stresses. If a cold blob of rock is sufficiently large, it can
enter a regime in which the stresses in the envelope surrounding it become large
enough to weaken the rock in that envelope, which allows the blob to sink faster,
resulting in the stresses becoming a bit larger still, and causing the rock inside
the surrounding envelope to weaken even more. Moreover, as the blob sinks ever faster,
the volume of the envelope of weakened rock grows ever larger. Rather quickly the
sinking velocity of the blob of dense rock can reach values of several km/hour,
on the order of a billion times faster than is happening today. This is called runaway
subduction.
The sinking ocean floor would drag the rest of the ocean floor along, in conveyor
belt fashion, and would displace mantle material, starting large-scale movement
throughout the entire mantle. However, as the ocean floor sank and rapidly subducted
adjacent to the pre-Flood super-continent’s margins, elsewhere the earth’s
crust would be under such tensional stress that it would be torn apart (rifted),
breaking up both the pre-Flood super-continent and the ocean floor.
Thus, ocean plates separated along some 60,000 km where seafloor spreading was occurring.
Within these spreading zones hot mantle material was rising to the surface to fill
the gap caused by the rapidly separating plates. Being at the ocean bottom, this
hot mantle material vapourized copious amounts of ocean water, producing a linear
chain of superheated steam jets along the whole length of the spreading ridge system.
This is consistent with the biblical description of the ‘fountains of the
great deep’ (Genesis 7:11; 8:2). This steam would disperse, condensing
in the atmosphere to fall as intense global rain (“and the flood-gates of
heaven were opened”, Genesis 7:11). This could account for the rain persisting
for 40 days and 40 nights (Genesis 7:12).
Not only is CPT backed up by supercomputer modelling that even impresses uniformitarians,39 but it has also provided
further fruitful research avenues for creationists, including a mechanism for Earth’s
rapid magnetic field reversals40
and hydrothermal solutions to carve huge caves.41
All the same, weather experts have been modelling the weather for decades, yet there
are still many flaws; some argue that we should not place too much faith in modelling
for plate tectonics either. Defenders argue that there are fewer unknowns in a confined
solid state modelling of CPT than in the fluid (liquid and gas) dynamics and variable
solar activity modelled in weather simulations.
Thus I think it is still the most promising theory, explaining the data supporting
uniformitarian plate tectonics, and solving a number of its problems. That is why
I have promoted it in my two largest books, Refuting Compromise (2004)
and The Greatest Hoax on Earth? (2010). Its strong points include explaining
high-pressure minerals and simultaneous uplift of all of today’s high mountains.
Furthermore, under Uniformitarian PT, plates are moving too slowly to penetrate
past the upper layers of the mantle; rather, they should blend in long before they
reach the lower mantle. Yet studies show that the subducted plates have penetrated
much further, and are still relatively cool. This is consistent with the subduction
being fast enough to penetrate the mantle, and recently enough so they haven’t
had time to heat up.
But CPT is not a direct teaching of Scripture, so it is legitimate for
creationists to question or reject it as a model, and a number of knowledgeable
creationist geologists do.42,43 Opponents argue that it
concedes too much to uniformitarianism, and that it doesn’t explain the whole
of the Flood, but only the last half.
Another problem that seems unsolved is getting rid of the excess heat. It is hardly
satisfactory to suggest that God miraculously removed the heat. If one is going
to resort to “God of the Gaps” reasoning44 for a tiny part of the model, then why not just
be done with a search for a mechanism and say, “God caused the Flood supernaturally”?
After all, the Flood was a major disjunction in biblical history, and clearly a
time of special intervention by God. Biblical creationists need not be closed to
miraculous causes for such one-off, special events, rather than worry about ‘scientific’
rigour or ‘economy of miracles’. After all, we don’t need to find
a quasi-naturalistic explanation for the Resurrection or feeding the 5,000. This
is different from ordinary repeatable ‘operational’ science, where “God
did it” is not acceptable.45
Since models like CPT are trying to make an operational-science cause of the Flood,
an ad hoc appeal to the miraculous is likewise unacceptable, unlike saying
that the whole thing was miraculous.
Hydroplate
This model of Dr Walter Brown46
has many passionate supporters. Brown explains:
“Before the global flood, considerable water was under the earth’s crust.
Pressure increases in this subterranean water ruptured that crust, breaking it into
plates. The escaping water flooded the earth. Because hydro means water, those crustal
plates will be called hydroplates.”
Furthermore, water and rocks were hurled at speeds exceeding escape velocity, so
this explains the origin of comets, asteroids and meteorites (figure 3).47
The origin of the Flood under the ocean is a biblical strength of the model. Furthermore,
‘the Flood caused meteors’ lacks the biblical weakness of ‘meteor
caused the Flood’. Yet it has failed to attract the support of many creationist
geologists and geophysicists, many of whom have no reason to reject a successful
flood model.
Furthermore, few creationist astronomers would accept an Earth origin for comets,
meteors and asteroids. The Bible doesn’t require it and it is scientifically
suspect—reaching Earth’s escape velocity of 11.2 km/s would be hard
enough, and such objects would burn in the atmosphere. Note that our spacecrafts
are launched in stages: first, they are taken up to a low earth orbit,
where the speed is about 8 km/s. Then another stage accelerates the craft to escape
velocity, which is a little lower as it is further from Earth’s gravity—about
10.9 km/s. But to launch comets into orbits reaching beyond Pluto would require
speeds just a little less than the escape velocity with respect to the sun’s
gravity at the earth’s orbit, or 42.1 km/s—and that’s after
overcoming atmospheric resistance. Note that the Voyager space probes were able
to move past Pluto only by using “gravitational slingshots” of handily
aligned planets to augment their speeds.
The Journal of Creation has published an article about various Flood models,
including the hydroplate, which was treated neutrally.48 But for the creationist community to take it further,
Dr Brown should publish it in a journal such as this, and respond to criticisms
from creationist experts in geology, e.g. that there is more water still inside
the mantle than in the oceans.49
A forum similar to a previous one on CPT50
would be most instructive.
‘Vanishing Flood’ models
The Bible doesn’t directly teach anything about the pre-Flood and post-Flood
boundaries. It doesn’t even directly teach that fossils and rocks are the
result of the Flood. Yet 2 Peter 3:3–6 is an important passage:
“Scoffers will … deliberately ignore this fact, … the world
that then existed was deluged with water and perished.”
This strongly implies that the Flood must have left some dramatic evidence, otherwise
why would scoffers be held culpable for “deliberately ignoring” the
fact of the Flood if there is no evidence? By similar reasoning, Romans 1:18–22 is a good argument against theistic
evolution. Verse 20 says:
“Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal
power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So
they are without excuse.”
This passage clearly teaches that unbelievers won’t have the slightest excuse
for unbelief, because God’s power and deity can be “clearly seen”
from nature. This seems to be a strong support for the argument from design. However,
according to Gould, one of Darwin’s main motivations was to counteract the
argument from design.51
So if evolution were true, or that there was “gobs of evidence” for
it as one professing creationist recently asserted,52 then where is the clear evidence for God’s
power from what has been made? Far from being evidence for a divine hand, evolution,
according to Gould, gives ‘evidence’ that “there’s nothing
else going on out there—just organisms struggling to pass their genes on to
the next generation. That’s it.” So once again, if evolution were true,
there is no evidence for a God from what has been made, but evidence only for ruthless
struggle for existence. So why would unbelievers be “without excuse”
if evolution were true?
The same applies to the uniformitarianism of Flood scoffers, such as Darwin’s
mentor Charles Lyell who tried to “free the science [of geology] from Moses”.53 Widespread fossils of soft-bodied
creatures and huge animals, as well as wide and flat sedimentary layers certainly
fit the bill. Thus this passage rules out certain extreme versions of the ‘Anglo-European’
or ‘Recolonization’ Flood Model, which become ‘vanishing Flood’
models, where most of the geology of the earth formed after the Flood.54,55
And of course, this would rule out the view of certain ‘progressive creationists’
such as Hugh Ross that the Flood was local and left no traces.56
Tas Walker’s ‘Biblical Geology’ model
Figure 4. The Biblical Geologic Model is a geologic classification
scheme based on the biblical record of Earth history. The model is useful for classifying
geologic data, understanding geologic processes and guiding geologic research. It
is a powerful tool for communicating biblical geologic concepts.
So, given that the Flood left behind considerable evidence, as this passage teaches,
what can be predicted? Walker has proposed a geological framework (although not
an explanation of the Flood per se) by which to understand rock layers
and fossils, not just for the Flood year, but for all of Earth history—from
the Creation Week to the present time (figure 4). He did this by using the clear
descriptions of Scripture, as well as more loosely holding inferences from what
we think we know about sedimentology and hydrology.
Since the Bible clearly teaches that the waters rose to cover the whole earth, then
retreated, Walker proposes two main stages of the Flood ‘year’ (really
370 days): ‘inundatory’ and ‘recessive’. There might be
some minor deviations, since variations in topography, floodwater and chemistry,
mean that the results of Flood processes might not be strictly synchronous, even
though the rocks produced might be the same.
The former is subdivided further: the earliest is the ‘eruptive phase’,
derived from the explosive implications of the “fountains of the great deep
bursting forth”; second, ‘ascending phase’, derived from the waters
“increasing” upon the Earth (Genesis 7:17–18); third, the ‘zenithic’,
from the biblical teaching of the Flood waters “prevailing” for so long
with the mountains all covered, as well as the common-sense observation that the
waters must have peaked some time.
The latter (‘recessive’) stage is subdivided not according to Scripture
per se, but according to hydrological observations (which is why it is
called a model).57
First, large amounts of water moving off a surface that was wholly submerged would
first start to flow in huge sheets. This phase is called ‘abative’.
Then, as the water level dropped and land emerged, the flow would be divided into
large channels, hence the ‘dispersive’ phase.
Where the Bible is truly silent, one is free to invoke known phenomena, but models
involving these should be held loosely.
This makes good sense of many geological features hard to explain under uniformitarian
models,58 of which I will
mention two. First, planation surfaces, which look like someone had taken a giant
plane over the surface and shaved it flat, regardless of orientation or hardness.
This is just what a giant sheet of water would do in the abative phase.59 Second, water gaps: instead of rivers following
the path of least resistance around mountains, many go through gaps in them. This
is consistent with violent channelized flow of huge volumes of water overtopping
perpendicular barriers and carving channels straight through them. Since water gaps
were formed after much erosion had occurred, they are consistent with having been
formed in a later stage of the recessive stage.60
Verified predictions are a strength of a model, but they cannot logically be considered
a proof—that would be a logical fallacy called affirming the consequent.1
Conclusion
The biblical global Flood is a vital teaching of Scripture, and essential for understanding
Earth history. Yet we were not there, so trying to understand it has a number of
difficulties. So it is not surprising that there are a number of different creationist
proposals, and a few errors in some.
The starting point must be the explicit statements of Scripture, and propositions
that logically follow from them. Since the Flood was a historical event,
then our description of its details is at heart historical.
For finding out the details, science is useful as a forensic tool, but is not the
driving discipline. This can show how known processes in hydrology and
sedimentology would work under the constraints of the biblically-derived
propositions. Where the Bible is truly silent, one is free to invoke known phenomena,
but models involving these should be held loosely.
With so many unknowns, it is not surprising that there are a number of different
models. But multiple models are a good thing in science, especially when it comes
to trying to understand what happened in the unobservable past. What ultimately
matters is what is true, not what fits a particular scientific model.
Readers’ commentsSusan W., United States, 20 February 2012
Thanks for another great article! You lift my eyes to the greatness of our Lord! Thank you for your service to Him. God Bless you!
Tracey B., South Africa, 24 February 2012
Thank you so much for your articles on the web. This one about the flood is so intresting. It is great to have scientific evidence to support the bible freely available to people who cannot afford the DVD's and books. I found your site through a magazine at church. God bless your ministry. Tracey B
Darryl M., United States, 24 February 2012
As a practicing old-earth geologist I disagree with the models you metioned on geological grounds. But as an retired educator I applaude your effort to explain them, and the difference between a model and reality, to your readers. You did an excellent job. I have had many interesting and informative email conversations w/ both Dr. Baumgardner (about 15 years ago) and Dr. Walker and learned much from them. Perhaps someday we can exchange some emails and I can learn something from you. Sincerly, Darryl M., Co-owner:Wellsite Geological Services and retired college teacher.
Hans G., Australia, 25 February 2012
It is always exciting to search out or try to follow God's actions; I believe He expects us to do so (1 Cor. 2:10). But as this article shows, our knowledge can't explain everything (1 Cor. 13:12)and it keeps us in contact with our creator. Does not every believer, even he doesn't fully understand God's ways, trust Him so much to want to spend eternity with Him?
Julie S., Australia, 28 February 2012
I love the comment of Hans G. Australia on this article. I especially appreciate what four of the Church Fathers had to say of the evidence of the global flood, apparent and there to see in their time as in what Theophilus, Patriarch of Antioch (c.115-185)had to say: "and of the ark, the remains are to this day to be seen in the Arabian Mountains." |
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review by Truman, R., J. Creation 21(1):43–47,
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- Noah was 500 when his first son (Japheth) was born (Genesis 5:32), and 600 when the Flood came. Shem had Arphaxad
2 years after the Flood, when he was 100 (Genesis 11:10), therefore Shem was only 98 when the Flood
came. Return to text.
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congenital anomalies from the National Birth Defects Prevention Study, 1997 to 2004,
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- See Sarfati, J., Miracles
and science, creation.com/miracles, 1 September 2006. Return
to text.
- That is, its volume fraction in a mixture, i.e. relative
proportion. Return to text.
- The partial pressure of a gas is the pressure it would exert
if it occupied the whole volume. The ability of oxygen to diffuse across lung membranes
and dissolve in water, and its reactivity, depend on partial pressure, not concentration.
But for a given total pressure, partial pressure is proportional to the concentration.
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- The sum of partial pressures of all gases in a mixture equals
the total pressure of the gas mixture—at least for ideal gases (1801).
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- Dudley, R., Atmospheric oxygen, giant Paleozoic insects and
the evolution of aerial locomotor performance, The Journal of Experimental Biology
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Blame CMI? And what about the Canopy theory? creation.com/cannot-blame-cmi,
17 April 2010. Return to text.
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function of the pteroid bone and forewing of pterosaurs, Proc. R. Soc.
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flew like modern aeroplanes, Creation 28(3):53, 2006;
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in insects visualized with synchrotron X–ray imaging, Science
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Insect inspiration solves giant bug mystery, Creation 27(4):44–47,
2005. Return to text.
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Testament, n.d., original German in the 19th century, English translation
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to text.
- A ‘ghost crater’ is “the bare hint which
remains of a lunar feature that has been practically destroyed by some later action.”
Alter, D., Pictorial Guide to the Moon, 3rd ed., Thomas Y. Crowell
Company, New York, 1973. Return to text.
- The problem is that huge ancient meteorite impacts would
both obliterate previous craters and smash open the crust and release lava. This
leaves a very narrow time window for new impact craters to form, then be partially
buried by the lava, leaving ‘ghosts’. Walker, T. and Catchpoole, D.,
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1999; creation.com/cratering; Spencer, W.R.,
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the distinctive, dark, basaltic maria (‘seas’). This explains why the
maria are almost exclusively confined to one quadrant—the swarm passed before
the moon had time to turn on its axis (it is tidally locked) and expose the other
side. Return to text.
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further discussion in letter by Bernitt, R. and reply by Oard, 24(1):48–49,
2010. Return to text.
- Even if some of the references are apocalyptic, this would
be deduced from the literary genre of the passages as a whole, not merely because
they mention stars falling. Return to text.
- See explanation of valid implications vs. logical fallacies
in Sarfati, J., ref. 1. Return to text.
- Genesis 7:19: “all (kol) the
high mountains under the entire (kol) heavens”. “ …
the text disposes of the question of the universality of the Flood”, Leupold,
H.C., Exposition of Genesis, 1:301–302, Baker Book
House, Grand Rapids, MI, USA, 1942. Return to text.
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Hanging loose, Creation 11(2):4, 1989; creation.com/hanging_loose.
Also, a number of creationists had criticized the model in CRSQ in the 1970s and
1980s. Return to text.
- Vibrational spectroscopy includes infrared and Raman spectroscopy,
as per Sarfati, J.,
Olfactory design: smell and spectroscopy, J. Creation 12(2):137–138,
1998; Sarfati, J.D. and Burns, G.R.: The pressure, temperature and excitation frequency
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- A molecular vibration absorbs infrared radiation only if
is changes the molecule’s dipole moment. CO2 is a highly symmetric
linear molecule O=C=O, and a symmetric stretch of the C=O bonds (i.e. in phase)
cancels out the dipole change, so this vibration doesn’t absorb, while the
other ones do. Water (H2O) is a bent polar molecule, and all
its vibrational modes strongly absorb infrared. Return to text.
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canopy temperature profiles, Proc. 4th Int’l. Conf. Creationism,
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simulation of the large-scale tectonic changes accompanying the Flood, Proc. First
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PA, 2:29, 1986. Return to text.
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Caves for all seasons, Creation 25(3):44–49,
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Creation Research Society Monograph 10, St Joseph, pp. 11–23,
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- Creationists are not generally guilty of “God
of the Gaps” arguments, despite dishonest caricatures by atheopaths and their
churchian allies. See Weinberger, L.,
Whose god? The theological response to the god-of-the-gaps, J. Creation
22(1):120–127, 2008. Return to text.
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Naturalism, Origins and Operational Science, creation.com/naturalism, 2000.
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- Brown, W., In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for
the Creation and the Flood, 6th (special) ed., Center for Scientific
Creationism, Phoenix, AZ, 1996. Return to text.
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Creationism, www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/Asteroids2.html.
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Flood models: the need for an integrated approach, J. Creation
14(1):52–59, 2000. Return to text.
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Water inside fire, J. Creation 22(1):4–5, 2008.
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Forum on catastrophic plate tectonics, J. Creation 16(1):57–81,
2002; creation.com/cpt_forum. Return to text.
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real message: Have you missed it? Creation 14(4):16–19,
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30 September; a confused fideistic tirade that a number of atheopathic evolutionists
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pp. 77–78, Thomas Nelson and Sons Ltd, London, Great Britain, 1962.
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14(1):101–109, 2000. Return to text.
- Reed, J.K., Kulikovsky, A.S. and Oard, M.J., Can recolonization
explain the rock record? Creation Research Soc. Quarterly 46(1):27–39,
2009. Return to text.
- Sarfati, ref. 2, pp. 264–5. Return
to text.
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Shapes the Earth’s Surface, Master Books, AR, 2008. Return
to text.
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21(1):98–110, 2007. Return to text.
- Oard, M.,
It’s plain to see: Flat land surfaces are strong evidence for the Genesis
Flood, Creation 28(2):34–37, 2006.
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- Oard, M.,
Do rivers erode through mountains? Water gaps are strong evidence for the Genesis
Flood, Creation 29(3):18–23, 2007.
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- Rush, D.E. and Vardiman, L., Pre-Flood vapor canopy radiative
temperature profiles; in: Proceedings of the Second International Conference on
Creationism, Volume 2, Creation Science Fellowship, Pittsburgh, PA, pp.
231–245, 1990. Return to text.
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of the First International Conference on Creationism, Volume 1, Creation Science
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